Spiritual warning against eating meat

Secret Chief · Jul 13, 2021

Conscious thoughts said:
According to the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, an evidence-based review showed that a vegetarian diet is associated with a lower risk of death from ischemic heart disease. Vegetarians appear to have lower low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels, lower blood pressure and lower rates of hypertension and type 2 diabetes than meat eaters. Vegetarians also tend to have a lower body mass index, lower overall cancer rates and lower risk of chronic disease.
Is a Vegetarian Diet Really Better for You?

Yeah but bacon tastes good.

Secret Chief · Jul 13, 2021

Saint Frankenstein said:
Vegetarianism and especially veganism is worse on the environment, too. Hunting/gathering is the best way we know of, when it comes to feeding ourselves and care for animals and the environment. It's how we evolved to live. We evolved to eat meat, too. That's why we have big brains.

Is this an option for a world population of nearly 8 billion... hunter-gatherers...?

74x12 · Jul 13, 2021

CXZ33 said:
I am told by spirit to warn others to stop eating meat.
You are probably inviting attacks against your body if you do that. Perhaps especially today.

That there is a lot going on behind the scenes is obvious. Many including myself believe something huge is about to happen that is going to wake up humanity.
Why should killers get a pass? Just be on the safe side the coming weeks and months. And probably most important: Help yourself by telling others as well.

"The bad about eating meat is the lasting effect of hurting and killing animals. These martyred animals return in the form of creatures who turn their forces against the bodies of the descendents of those who once killed them." Rudolf Steiner

I disagree as per 1 Timothy 4:1-3

Secret Chief · Jul 13, 2021

Saint Frankenstein said:
Vegetarianism and especially veganism is worse on the environment, too.

How so?

Gargovic Malkav · Jul 13, 2021

Secret Chief said:
Is this an option for a world population of nearly 8 billion... hunter-gatherers...?

That's what happens when people try to keep everything alive for as long as possible.
I wonder if wild animals are more likely to eat us once we've all become vegetarians as they will slowly learn we're no longer a threat to them.
Besides that, many predators seem to have a preference for herbivores because their meat is more nutritious.

Valjean · Jul 13, 2021

Wildswanderer said:
I bet there are evil forces that want us to eat helpless veggies. Have you no compassion for cabbage? No love for lettuce? No sadness for strawberries? And don't you know that all farming kills animals? I have seen the crushed carcasses from the combines.
I would suggest that the path to spiritual maturity is probably found in eating dirt, but you might ingest some microscopic life forms. Much safer to give up eating.

How familiar are you with the motivations of the animal rights supporters?
Your post seems to indicate unfamiliarity.

ChristineM · Jul 13, 2021

@CXZ33

Welcome to RF. Fully confirmed meat eater here, but never mind that. Sit back, relax and enjoy the cake, guaranteed meat free.

Saint Frankenstein · Jul 13, 2021

Secret Chief said:
Is this an option for a world population of nearly 8 billion... hunter-gatherers...?

Whereas destroying more of the environment for soy farms is very sustainable.

RestlessSoul · Jul 13, 2021

Gargovic Malkav said:
Rudolf Steiner... This brings back memories.
I used to live in an anthroposophical community.
Never knew he was a vegetarian.

So was Hitler, but you probably knew that.

Actually, it's unfair on vegetarians to point that out. I do respect those who don't eat animals. I currently try to only eat ethically produced meat. It's not easy for me to justify to myself though really.

Viker · Jul 13, 2021

CXZ33 said:
I am told by spirit to warn others to stop eating meat.
You are probably inviting attacks against your body if you do that. Perhaps especially today.

That there is a lot going on behind the scenes is obvious. Many including myself believe something huge is about to happen that is going to wake up humanity.
Why should killers get a pass? Just be on the safe side the coming weeks and months. And probably most important: Help yourself by telling others as well.

"The bad about eating meat is the lasting effect of hurting and killing animals. These martyred animals return in the form of creatures who turn their forces against the bodies of the descendents of those who once killed them." Rudolf Steiner

Cool story, bro. Got any more?

Gargovic Malkav · Jul 13, 2021

RestlessSoul said:
So was Hitler, but you probably knew that.

Actually, it's unfair on vegetarians to point that out. I do respect those who don't eat animals. I currently try to only eat ethically produced meat. It's not easy for me to justify to myself though really.

You mean you feel guilty about eating any kind of meat?

I don't feel bad about eating meat, but I don't like the way it is produced in many industries with no consideration for the well-being of the animal at all.

Wildswanderer · Jul 13, 2021

Valjean said:
How familiar are you with the motivations of the animal rights supporters?
Your post seems to indicate unfamiliarity.

Very. Perhaps you don't recognize satire?

McBell · Jul 13, 2021

ADigitalArtist · Jul 13, 2021

Saint Frankenstein said:
Whereas destroying more of the environment for soy farms is very sustainable.

Vast majority of soy products (75 to 77%) go towards cattle and poultry feed. It'd be more sustainable for it to go directly to humans.

Valjean · Jul 13, 2021

Windwalker said:
A few points here. While I agree that the eating of meat excessively is not healthy for either the body or the soul, let's not forget that God made us through nature as omnivores. That means we eat anything, including meat. We have canines in our teeth for the purpose of tearing flesh. That's how we evolved.

Your claim that "God made us" to eat meat is questionable, but I do agree we're natural omnivores. We'd never have made it through the Pleistocene as herbivores.
Canines? 'Tear'?

Carnivores have loooong canines in a protruding snout. They can pierce and grip.
Hominin canines are no longer than the surrounding teeth, and our faces are flat. Our canines can neither slice, like incisors, not grind, like molars. They're the most useless teeth in our mouths.

Human's evolved to process food largely outside the body, with hands, tools and fire.

What I do see as a form of evil however, is the mass industrialization of slaughtering animals for human pleasure of meat consumption. That passes from a respectful relationship with the world and our legitamate food sources, into a soulless industrialized killing complex of animals without any regard for them. That's wrong.

I agree. Causing pain or suffering, especially unnecessarily, is immoral, IMHO.

Solution should be reduce meat consumption to minimal, or altogether if possible. But I do not believe you end up in hell because you ate meat. That doesn't make any sense, since we were designed by nature, or God, to eat meat as part of our diets. It is what is responsible for our existence on this planet, able to survive in a variety of environments where other species could not.

Nature selected all sorts of violent and tribal behavior in our species. This doesn't make it desirable, utilitarian, or even moral, today.

Our psychology was well adapted to the hunting-gathering lifestyle we lived through 99% of our history. In a modern, populous, diverse civilization, however, 'natural' is completely dysfunctional.[/quote][/QUOTE]

Secret Chief · Jul 13, 2021

Gargovic Malkav said:
That's what happens when people try to keep everything alive for as long as possible.
I wonder if wild animals are more likely to eat us once we've all become vegetarians as they will slowly learn we're no longer a threat to them.
Besides that, many predators seem to have a preference for herbivores because their meat is more nutritious.

Our diet has nothing to do with self-defence. We threaten them with habitat loss and poaching, amongst others.
Predators "prefer" herbivores because that is how the food chain works, the herbivores are the prey.

Viker · Jul 13, 2021

Humans are eating machines. They give goats a good name.

Valjean · Jul 13, 2021

Secret Chief said:
Is this an option for a world population of nearly 8 billion... hunter-gatherers...?

No, but it would easily feed a population of vegetarians, if plants and water weren't diverted to raising livestock for food. Feeding a cow 1000 calories of human-edible food to produce 10 calories of edible meat is not an efficient usage of resources.

Secret Chief · Jul 13, 2021

RestlessSoul said:
So was Hitler, but you probably knew that.

This is probably a supplementary part of Godwin's Law

RestlessSoul said:
Actually, it's unfair on vegetarians to point that out.

Not unfair, but not needed.

I doubt there's a vegetarian on the planet that hasn't had this said to them. That and "But don't you still love the smell of bacon?" and "Did you know carrots feel pain?"

Viker · Jul 13, 2021

Secret Chief said:
Is this an option for a world population of nearly 8 billion... hunter-gatherers...?

We could hunt-gather each other. Like in Hunger Games just with more cannibalism.

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