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Did Someone ‘in RF’ Convince You About Something You Didn’t Believe?

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KerimF

Active Member
Twilight Hue said:
And cells are atoms....
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Yes they are, but I was referring to the very complex program embedded in my starting tiny cell that let it know how to be transformed with time to what I am now. Now I am made of zillion of different living cells and each knows what to do exactly (thanks also to their various embedded programs) to keep me alive :D
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
KerimF said:
Yes they are, but I was referring to the very complex program embedded in my starting tiny cell that let it know how to be transformed with time to what I am now. Now I am made of zillion of different living cells and each knows what to do exactly (thanks also to their various embedded programs) to keep me alive :D
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Another mind teaser. The age of those atoms making up our cells and proteins.. We are in reality, much older than we think!
 
King Phenomenon

King Phenomenon

Well-Known Member
Dan From Smithville said:
There are no absolutes. Scientific claims are always tentative and contingent on new data that might overturn a theory. However, given the robust quality of the theory of evolution, it would require very robust data to falsify it given the vast amount of support it has through the existing evidence.

You can deny it if you like. Even if it were 100% guaranteed, you could do that.
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Oh I see what you’re saying. There are no absolutes in science. I thought you were talking about there being no absolutes in life. My bad.
 
King Phenomenon

King Phenomenon

Well-Known Member
Twilight Hue said:
I think there is an eternal component, or even components somewhere. If 'component' can even apply. At any rate, 'potential' might make a better fit as it applies to eternity.

The paradox I muse over is there cannot be something without a beginning nor ending , yet at the same time, one cannot get past any static beginning nor ending either, which leads me to think about the validation of eternity.
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There must be a catalyst for a destruction/creation event. But what? That’s what I muse over. Is it the death of one particular set of DNA? Did God manifest himself in said DNA? Lol, just spit ballin here.
 
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KerimF

Active Member
Twilight Hue said:
I think there is an eternal component, or even components somewhere. If 'component' can even apply. At any rate, 'potential' might make a better fit as it applies to eternity.

The paradox I muse over is there cannot be something without a beginning nor ending , yet at the same time, one cannot get past any static beginning nor ending either, which leads me to think about the validation of eternity.
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I know I was forced to exist in the time/space realm.

I know I am forced sometimes to exist in what we may call a dream realm which is not limited by time or space.

I know my living flesh is programmed to force me re-exist in the time/space realm after losing all connections to it (besides my will) while I am in a deep sleep.

I know when my living flesh returns me to the time/space realm, my existence in the dream realm vanishes.

Conclusion:
I am allowed to perceive (actually I am forced to exist in) two different realms.

Isn't it possible to also be forced to exist in a somehow dream realm only (that is without the need to re-exist in the time/space realm)?
 
SigurdReginson

SigurdReginson

Grēne Mann
Premium Member
No one in RF has ever made an argument that convinced me completely of anything outright, but they have given me seeds of doubt and food for thought that have caused me to do research into concepts that eventually led to me changing my mind on certain topics or positions I had held previously.
 
Aupmanyav

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
KerimF said:
And, naturally, no one was convinced by your enlightenment to disbelieve what he used believing :D
But there might be many persons who agree with you already on many points about life.
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I understand Kerim, most people, particularly those whose minds are fixed on God, creation, soul, consciousness, heaven and hell would not be able to understand what I say. Furthermore, what I say requires some understanding of Relativity, Quantum Mechanics, Probability and Uncertainty.
There are some people who agree with me fully or partly, partly because they may yet not be free of their God, Consciousness fixation.
 
loverofhumanity

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
KerimF said:
I wonder if, here in RF, someone was convinced about something, as being real and/or true, which he used believing unreal or untrue.

Or perhaps someone, here in RF, used believing that something is real and/or true and someone else, also in RF, convinced him that he was wrong.

Please note the crucial words ‘here in RF’.


Outside RF, e.i. in the real world, billions around the world ‘could’ be convinced anytime about anything as being real/true or unreal/untrue... but this is another topic (usually related to politics more than religions).
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Definitely learnt a lot here. I did not know that there were major sects in Hinduism which do not believe in Krishna and Avatars or Prophets.
 
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KerimF

Active Member
Our time/space realm (universe) is limited because it is defined by absolutes which are limited no matter their number is huge and humans have discovered just a relatively tiny number of them so far.

On the other hand, kn
loverofhumanity said:
Definitely learnt a lot here. I did not know that there were major sects in Hinduism which do not believe in Krishna and Avatars or Prophets.
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You are right. In fact, most of us learn here.
But being convinced of something which is supposed not real to be real, is, I guess, a totally different thing.
 
Augustus

Augustus

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Saint Frankenstein said:
Or religion.
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And especially the history of religion.

In general, the more loudly a poster proclaims how much they are practitioners of rationalistic and evidence based principles, the greater their emotional commitment to preserving their beliefs in the most antiquated and long debunked anti-religious myths :D
 
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Clara Tea

Well-Known Member
KerimF said:
I wonder if, here in RF, someone was convinced about something, as being real and/or true, which he used believing unreal or untrue.

Or perhaps someone, here in RF, used believing that something is real and/or true and someone else, also in RF, convinced him that he was wrong.

Please note the crucial words ‘here in RF’.


Outside RF, e.i. in the real world, billions around the world ‘could’ be convinced anytime about anything as being real/true or unreal/untrue... but this is another topic (usually related to politics more than religions).
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Facts and logic vs. stubbornness? Phony facts and phony logic vs. common sense? Both the convinced and convincer wrong? Everyone is right but we can't see each other's viewpoint? (Example: age of universe is 6,000 or 13.8 billion....yet science says time is relative...changes with speed and gravity).
 
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KerimF

Active Member
Clara Tea said:
Facts and logic vs. stubbornness? Phony facts and phony logic vs. common sense? Both the convinced and convincer wrong? Everyone is right but we can't see each other's viewpoint? (Example: age of universe is 6,000 or 13.8 billion....yet science says time is relative...changes with speed and gravity).
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I am afraid that facts, logic and common sense are defined/perceived matters which are relative to the observer.

We usually learn from others certain things that we may have missed and we are interested in knowing.

But to be convinced by someone that something which is supposed to be unreal is real (and vice versa)... is somehow a different thing, I guess.
 
Truthseeker

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
loverofhumanity said:
Definitely learnt a lot here. I did not know that there were major sects in Hinduism which do not believe in Krishna and Avatars or Prophets.
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Yes, and Shoghi Effendi says this:

As regards your study of the Hindu religion: The origins of this and many other religions that abound in India are not quite known to us, and even the Orientalists and the students of religion are not in complete accord about the results of their investigations in that field. The Bahá’í writings also do not refer specifically to any of these forms of religion current in India. So, the Guardian feels it impossible to give you any definite and detailed information on that subject. He would urge you, however, to carry on your studies in that field, although its immensity is well-nigh bewildering, with the view of bringing the Message to the Hindus.
‘Abdu'l-Bahá, Bahá'u'lláh, Shoghi Effendi, "Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster and Related Subjects", 11
 
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