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URAVIP2ME

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Yet the questions remain of how the government became just 144000 and why Jesus had all power and authority in Matt 28:18 (ruler of God's Kingdom then) and how are Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the Kingdom of God (Luke 13:28) and why the sealing of the 144000 was after the opening of the 6th seal, during the tribulation (Rev 6 and 7)
Well, as the government at Washington D.C, is Not the majority of the population, so why should God's government be any different.- Revelation 20:6; Revelation 2:10; Revelation 5:9-10.
Via future resurrection for Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, etc. to be in the kingdom - Hebrews 11:13; Hebrews 11:39.
Even King David - Ezekiel 34:24 - will be ' Prince ' on Earth. - Psalms 45:16; Isaiah 32:1, 17-18.
ALL who died before Jesus were Not offered Heaven - John 3:13
Jesus as ruler of God's Kingdom for one-thousand years over Earth - 1 Corinthians 15:24-26
Over earthly subjects or earthly citizens - Psalms 72:8; 12-14 - from one end of Earth to the other end.
The humble meek people who will inherit the Earth as promised at Matthew 5:5; Psalms 37:9-11
 

URAVIP2ME

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......And I don't know what JWs make of this passage where we see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in God's Kingdom and the WT denies that they will be in the Kingdom of God.
Luke 13:28 “You will see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in God’s kingdom. But you will be left outside. There you will cry and grind your teeth with pain. 29 People will come from the east, west, north, and south. They will sit down at the table in God’s kingdom. 30 People who have the lowest place in life now will have the highest place in God’s kingdom. And people who have the highest place now will have the lowest place in God’s kingdom.”

First, I find that Jesus would Not speak to the crowds without an illustration, a parable story - Matthew 13:13; Matthew 13:34; Mark 4:33-34
So, who pictures the Greater Abraham, the Greater Isaac, the Greater Jacob in Jesus illustration.
Jacob representing Jehovah God who is the Greater Abraham in Jesus' illustration.
God's Son Jesus pictured by the Greater Isaac.
Who was 'left outside' in Jesus' day but those haughty religious Pharisees.
In Jesus' day the Pharisees had the Highest place, but that would change from them to Jesus' followers.
 

Brian2

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First, I find that Jesus would Not speak to the crowds without an illustration, a parable story - Matthew 13:13; Matthew 13:34; Mark 4:33-34
So, who pictures the Greater Abraham, the Greater Isaac, the Greater Jacob in Jesus illustration.
Jacob representing Jehovah God who is the Greater Abraham in Jesus' illustration.
God's Son Jesus pictured by the Greater Isaac.
Who was 'left outside' in Jesus' day but those haughty religious Pharisees.
In Jesus' day the Pharisees had the Highest place, but that would change from them to Jesus' followers.

Luke 13:28 “You will see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in God’s kingdom. But you will be left outside. There you will cry and grind your teeth with pain. 29 People will come from the east, west, north, and south. They will sit down at the table in God’s kingdom. 30 People who have the lowest place in life now will have the highest place in God’s kingdom. And people who have the highest place now will have the lowest place in God’s kingdom.”

So JW twist the meaning of the parable to that Abraham is not Abraham and Isaac is not Isaac and Jacob is not Jacob and how about all the prophets, who are they, you did not say. Interesting. I guess you have to twist the meaning (deny it) because of your doctrines.
It clearly says that all these people will be in the Kingdom of God and the WT clearly denies that. The Matthew version says Kingdom of heaven.
 

Brian2

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Well, as the government at Washington D.C, is Not the majority of the population, so why should God's government be any different.- Revelation 20:6; Revelation 2:10; Revelation 5:9-10.
Via future resurrection for Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, etc. to be in the kingdom - Hebrews 11:13; Hebrews 11:39.
Even King David - Ezekiel 34:24 - will be ' Prince ' on Earth. - Psalms 45:16; Isaiah 32:1, 17-18.
ALL who died before Jesus were Not offered Heaven - John 3:13
Jesus as ruler of God's Kingdom for one-thousand years over Earth - 1 Corinthians 15:24-26
Over earthly subjects or earthly citizens - Psalms 72:8; 12-14 - from one end of Earth to the other end.
The humble meek people who will inherit the Earth as promised at Matthew 5:5; Psalms 37:9-11

I guess your answer did not answer my questions.
>>>Yet the questions remain of how the government became just 144000 and why Jesus had all power and authority in Matt 28:18 (ruler of God's Kingdom then) and how are Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the Kingdom of God (Luke 13:28) and why the sealing of the 144000 was after the opening of the 6th seal, during the tribulation (Rev 6 and 7)<<<
If Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets and no doubt many others will be in the Kingdom of God then that means they will have to be born again (as in John 3) That would mean that they are born again at the resurrection or judgement.
 

URAVIP2ME

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Luke 13:28 “You will see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in God’s kingdom. But you will be left outside. There you will cry and grind your teeth with pain. 29 People will come from the east, west, north, and south. They will sit down at the table in God’s kingdom. 30 People who have the lowest place in life now will have the highest place in God’s kingdom. And people who have the highest place now will have the lowest place in God’s kingdom.”
So JW twist the meaning of the parable to that Abraham is not Abraham and Isaac is not Isaac and Jacob is not Jacob and how about all the prophets, who are they, you did not say. Interesting. I guess you have to twist the meaning (deny it) because of your doctrines.
It clearly says that all these people will be in the Kingdom of God and the WT clearly denies that. The Matthew version says Kingdom of heaven.

Huh, of course Abraham is Abraham, so is Isaac and Jacob.
But, also pictured is the 'Greater Abraham' who would be Jehovah God, the 'greater Isaac' would be Son Jesus, Jacob being Jesus' brothers of Matthew 25:40.
Those workers of unrighteousness (Luke 13:27 B; Matthew 8:11-12) are the ones 'outside' according to Jesus' illustration or parable.
Many (like those Pharisees ) thought they would be first in the kingdom ( remember the way to heaven was never opened up at that time frame, Not until Pentecost ) so it was first an earthly kingdom at that time frame.
So, either those unrighteous ones could either be last or Not there at all. - Luke 13:18-30.
ALL nations ( people from east, west, north, south) will recline at the table in the kingdom of God.
Some to heaven ( the ones who have that first or earlier resurrection of Revelation 20:6; 2:20; 5:9-10 )
The majority to live later (come to life) on Earth like those of Hebrews chapter 11 - Acts of the Apostles 24:15
 

URAVIP2ME

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I guess your answer did not answer my questions.
>>>Yet the questions remain of how the government became just 144000 and why Jesus had all power and authority in Matt 28:18 (ruler of God's Kingdom then) and how are Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the Kingdom of God (Luke 13:28) and why the sealing of the 144000 was after the opening of the 6th seal, during the tribulation (Rev 6 and7)
If Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets and no doubt many others will be in the Kingdom of God then that means they will have to be born again (as in John 3) That would mean that they are born again at the resurrection or judgement.

ALL the then living at the end of the thousand years will be in the kingdom of God.( Government of God ).
Some to govern with Jesus (the greater Isaac) in heaven. They have a first or earlier resurrection - Revelation 20:6
The majority of people to be here on Earth like the people of Hebrews 11:13; Hebrews 11:39.
Including King David who did Not ascend - Acts of the Apostles 2:34 their resurrection future - Acts of the Apostles 24:15.
The majority of the population of the United States lives outside of Washington, D.C.
And the people who make up the government is a smaller number than the population of the whole U.S. of A.
Washington, D.C. governs over one country.
So, 144,000 people is a smaller number than earth's population.
God's kingdom or heavenly government will govern over the whole Earth with Jesus governing over all of Earth.
Jesus will have earthly subjects or citizens according to Psalms 72:8; Psalms 72:12-14.
 

Brian2

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Huh, of course Abraham is Abraham, so is Isaac and Jacob.
But, also pictured is the 'Greater Abraham' who would be Jehovah God, the 'greater Isaac' would be Son Jesus, Jacob being Jesus' brothers of Matthew 25:40.
Those workers of unrighteousness (Luke 13:27 B; Matthew 8:11-12) are the ones 'outside' according to Jesus' illustration or parable.
Many (like those Pharisees ) thought they would be first in the kingdom ( remember the way to heaven was never opened up at that time frame, Not until Pentecost ) so it was first an earthly kingdom at that time frame.
So, either those unrighteous ones could either be last or Not there at all. - Luke 13:18-30.
ALL nations ( people from east, west, north, south) will recline at the table in the kingdom of God.
Some to heaven ( the ones who have that first or earlier resurrection of Revelation 20:6; 2:20; 5:9-10 )
The majority to live later (come to life) on Earth like those of Hebrews chapter 11 - Acts of the Apostles 24:15

The whole idea of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob being in the Kingdom of God (Kingdom of Heaven in Matthew) means that they must be born again according to John 3 and so must get born again at some time.
This whole thing seems to mean that Kingdom does not mean Government and is not limited to 144,000 (JWs and some others)
Where is it said that only some people can go to heaven? Rev 20:6, Rev 2:20 and Rev 5:9-10 do not say that.
From what I read the heavenly Jerusalem is going to come down out of heaven to earth. (Rev 3:12 Rev 21) and God and the Lamb will be there and no doubt that is where Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and OT righteous will be and also where the 144000 will be if they are going to be with Jesus.
 

Brian2

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ALL the then living at the end of the thousand years will be in the kingdom of God.( Government of God ).
Some to govern with Jesus (the greater Isaac) in heaven. They have a first or earlier resurrection - Revelation 20:6

But where does the Bible tell us that only 144000 will be in the first resurrection?

The majority of people to be here on Earth like the people of Hebrews 11:13; Hebrews 11:39.
Including King David who did Not ascend - Acts of the Apostles 2:34 their resurrection future - Acts of the Apostles 24:15.
The majority of the population of the United States lives outside of Washington, D.C.
And the people who make up the government is a smaller number than the population of the whole U.S. of A.
Washington, D.C. governs over one country.
So, 144,000 people is a smaller number than earth's population.
God's kingdom or heavenly government will govern over the whole Earth with Jesus governing over all of Earth.
Jesus will have earthly subjects or citizens according to Psalms 72:8; Psalms 72:12-14.

I still cannot see that the Kingdom is a Government in heaven with only 144000 people mainly JWs in it. As I said the heavenly Jerusalem is coming down to earth and everyone seems to be in there including the OT righteous and NT righteous and Jesus and God and so the 144000.
Why are the nations who bring tribute to Jesus made up of non anointed Christians according to JWs when it seems from the Bible that all Christians are anointed (1John 5:1, John 14:23)
 

URAVIP2ME

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But where does the Bible tell us that only 144000 will be in the first resurrection?
I still cannot see that the Kingdom is a Government in heaven with only 144000 people mainly JWs in it. As I said the heavenly Jerusalem is coming down to earth and everyone seems to be in there including the OT righteous and NT righteous and Jesus and God and so the 144000..............)

Please post the measured size of Heavenly New Jerusalem according to Revelation 21:15-21.
Tell us where this measured city will fit on Earth ____________
How BIG is each pearl at the 12 gates _____________

The great crowd of Revelation 7:9 is un-numbered, whereas Jesus' bride is redeemed form the Earth - Revelation 14:3-4 as the first fruit - verse 4. See also 1 Corinthians 15:20-23 ' first fruits '
 
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URAVIP2ME

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......Why are the nations who bring tribute to Jesus made up of non anointed Christians according to JWs when it seems from the Bible that all Christians are anointed (1John 5:1, John 14:23)
Not the ' Little Flock of Luke 12:32 ' but the ' other sheep of John 10:16 ' whose hope is to live forever on Earth, everlasting life on Earth ( Matthew 25:37)

God's ' tent ' (dwelling) is with ' mankind ' on Earth according to Revelation 21:3; Psalms 15:1-5.
So, the mankind of ' other sheep ' lives on Earth.
The promise of Rev. 21:3-5 is Not given to the spirit realm but specific to mankind on Earth.
Mankind was instructed to pray for God's kingdom to come. Not to be 'taken up' to the kingdom.
Heavenly Jerusalem governs from above - Galatians 4:26 - she is now the seat of government.
God's kingdom comes to put an end to all corrupt government on Earth as per Daniel 2:44-45.
Jesus is the figurative ' stone ' Jesus is king aka president of God's kingdom - 1 Corinthians 15:24-26.
 

Brian2

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Please post the measured size of Heavenly New Jerusalem according to Revelation 21:15-21.
Tell us where this measured city will fit on Earth ____________
How BIG is each pearl at the 12 gates _____________

The great crowd of Revelation 7:9 is un-numbered, whereas Jesus' bride is redeemed form the Earth - Revelation 14:3-4 as the first fruit - verse 4. See also 1 Corinthians 15:20-23 ' first fruits '

Size of New Jerusalem
All Christians are redeemed from the earth. That does not mean they will be taken away from the earth however.
We are told that the New Jerusalem comes down from heaven, so it is the Heavenly Jerusalem which will be coming down to earth. We are told that God will be with His people, and we are told that God said He wants to dwell in Jerusalem/Zion forever.
We are told that the Lamb will be there also.
The English is quite clear about these things and no doubt any other language it is written in.
Christ is the firstfruits in 1Cor 15:20-23 and all Christians belong to Him.
 

Brian2

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Not the ' Little Flock of Luke 12:32 ' but the ' other sheep of John 10:16 ' whose hope is to live forever on Earth, everlasting life on Earth ( Matthew 25:37)

God's ' tent ' (dwelling) is with ' mankind ' on Earth according to Revelation 21:3; Psalms 15:1-5.
So, the mankind of ' other sheep ' lives on Earth.
The promise of Rev. 21:3-5 is Not given to the spirit realm but specific to mankind on Earth.
Mankind was instructed to pray for God's kingdom to come. Not to be 'taken up' to the kingdom.
Heavenly Jerusalem governs from above - Galatians 4:26 - she is now the seat of government.
God's kingdom comes to put an end to all corrupt government on Earth as per Daniel 2:44-45.
Jesus is the figurative ' stone ' Jesus is king aka president of God's kingdom - 1 Corinthians 15:24-26.

Rev 11:15Then the seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and loud voices called out in heaven: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign forever and ever.”

This would be when God's Kingdom comes to earth in all it's fullness.
Considering that the JWs teach that the Kingdom of God is a Government that rules from heaven, how does this fit in to that concept? It seems to be giving the usual meaning of Kingdom, the domain ruled by a King, and the earth is part of it.
. John 10:16 I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them in as well, and they will listen to My voice. Then there will be one flock and one shepherd.
In context these other sheep are the gentiles.
Luke 12:31 But seek His kingdom, and these things will be added unto you. 32Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father is pleased to give you the kingdom.
How do you know that this means going to live in heaven when as we see the Kingdom includes earth?
Matt 25:37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
This is speaking about when Jesus returns and the nations are gathered before Him and judged.
Matt 25:31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
The brothers and sisters Jesus is speaking of are all Christians surely and the nations are all other people and they will enter into the Kingdom also. (Which of course means that they will need to be born again--John 3)
What does being born again mean in JW theology, considering that those who believed were already born again 2000 years ago whilst still alive on earth?
Why is the promise of Rev 21:3-5 only for some Christians?
The New Jerusalem from heaven (no doubt heavenly Jerusalem) comes down to earth and God and the Lamb will live there with their people, and those people are everyone who is in the Kingdom, which includes the earth.
1Cor 15:24-26 tells us that Jesus is ruling as God now (with all power in heaven and on earth --Matt 28:16) and then He will submit Himself to His God and things will be like they have been from eternity with the Son submitting to His Father. The Son rules over the Kingdom of David forever and the increase of that Kingdom will never end so it includes all of God's Kingdom. (Isa 9:6,7)
JWs know about coregnum, both Father and Son ruling together.
Does handing back the Kingdom to His Father mean that He stops ruling? It seems not.
1Cor 15:28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
So we see the reason that the Son is made subject to the Father.
At the moment it is Jesus ruling and it is He who is all and in all.
And if we are to believe 1Cor 15:28 He was ruling when Paul wrote that epistle,,,,,,,,,,,,,He did not start ruling only in 1914.
 

URAVIP2ME

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Size of New Jerusalem
All Christians are redeemed from the earth. That does not mean they will be taken away from the earth however.
We are told that the New Jerusalem comes down from heaven, so it is the Heavenly Jerusalem which will be coming down to earth. We are told that God will be with His people, and we are told that God said He wants to dwell in Jerusalem/Zion forever.
We are told that the Lamb will be there also.
The English is quite clear about these things and no doubt any other language it is written in.
Christ is the firstfruits in 1Cor 15:20-23 and all Christians belong to Him.
First, I would have liked a comment about the ' measurement size ' of New Jerusalem as found at Revelation 21:10-21
How does the size of New Jerusalem fit on Earth __________
 

Brian2

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First, I would have liked a comment about the ' measurement size ' of New Jerusalem as found at Revelation 21:10-21
How does the size of New Jerusalem fit on Earth __________

It is a 1400 miles cube and in the link I gave it shows how it would look on the earth over the US and over the Middle East.
There is no mention of it's weight or if it has weight.
Are you now going to use the size to say that the Bible is wrong and that it does not come down out of heaven?
 

URAVIP2ME

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It is a 1400 miles cube and in the link I gave it shows how it would look on the earth over the US and over the Middle East.
There is no mention of it's weight or if it has weight.
Are you now going to use the size to say that the Bible is wrong and that it does not come down out of heaven?
Sure the ' seat of government ' (New Jerusalem which is the capitol of Heavenly Jerusalem) 'comes down' but Not in a material sense.
We pray for God's Kingdom to come (thy kingdom come....) His government to come - Daniel 2:44
Where is King Jesus and his co-rulers but in Heaven - Revelation 20:6; John 14:19.
Yes, God's heavenly city is a perfect large-scale cube in size about 1,400 miles in perimeter.
Surrounded by a wall of 144 cubits or 210 feet high.
To me that means it would cover a territory 14 times as large as modern Israel.
I too see No mention of weight, but it towers about 350 miles into outer space !
The wall structure and foundation is of precious building gem materials - Revelation 21:18-21
The 12 gates were 12 pearls ( each gate was made of one pearl ) How BIG is each pearl ________(verse 21)
( I wonder what was the size of an Oyster producing a Pearl of that BIG size )
No temple in this cubed city. It is a city of light, so there would be No need to construct a literal temple here for No sacrifice is No longer needed.
And of course each person who gains entrance by New Jerusalem's gates are happy - Revelation 22:14 B.
And notice what blessing benefits 'come down' to Earth according to Revelation 22:2.
 

Brian2

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Sure the ' seat of government ' (New Jerusalem which is the capitol of Heavenly Jerusalem) 'comes down' but Not in a material sense.
We pray for God's Kingdom to come (thy kingdom come....) His government to come - Daniel 2:44

The Kingdom is God's rule and is all those places where God is ruling. Why say it is only one, the rule/government?

Where is King Jesus and his co-rulers but in Heaven - Revelation 20:6; John 14:19.

Rev 20:6 and John 14:19 do not say that Jesus and co-rulers will be in heaven.

Yes, God's heavenly city is a perfect large-scale cube in size about 1,400 miles in perimeter.
Surrounded by a wall of 144 cubits or 210 feet high.
To me that means it would cover a territory 14 times as large as modern Israel.
I too see No mention of weight, but it towers about 350 miles into outer space !
The wall structure and foundation is of precious building gem materials - Revelation 21:18-21
The 12 gates were 12 pearls ( each gate was made of one pearl ) How BIG is each pearl ________(verse 21)
( I wonder what was the size of an Oyster producing a Pearl of that BIG size )

If you see it as symbolic of the government of God, OK, and the prophets and Abraham etc will be in the government. They are in the Kingdom so Jesus said. But you say they are not in heaven. What makes you think that only the 144000 are in heaven and the others in the Kingdom are not there?
I have asked questions about the 144000 and the great crowd (they both seem to be coming out of the tribulation for a start) The great crowd also is said to be in the Temple of God and before the throne and in the presence of God. (Rev 7:15)
Is this on earth also or is God really in the New Jerusalem on earth with His people,,,,,,,,,all of them?

No temple in this cubed city. It is a city of light, so there would be No need to construct a literal temple here for No sacrifice is No longer needed.
And of course each person who gains entrance by New Jerusalem's gates are happy - Revelation 22:14 B.
And notice what blessing benefits 'come down' to Earth according to Revelation 22:2.

There is no need for a temple on earth if the reason is that there is no sacrifice needed, so is there a temple on earth and is it in here that the great crowd is going to be?
 

URAVIP2ME

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Yes, the great crowd of Revelation 7:9,14 is here on Earth.
Earth being God's footstool - Psalms 110
The great crowd of figurative sheep-like ones at Jesus' coming Glory Time are alive on Earth.Matthew 25:31-33,37
Thus, the living great 'sheep-like' crowd on Earth will be here to see calendar Day One of Jesus' coming Millennium-Long Day of governing over Earth for a thousand years - 1 Corinthians 15:24-26
 

Brian2

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Yes, the great crowd of Revelation 7:9,14 is here on Earth.
Earth being God's footstool - Psalms 110
The great crowd of figurative sheep-like ones at Jesus' coming Glory Time are alive on Earth.Matthew 25:31-33,37
Thus, the living great 'sheep-like' crowd on Earth will be here to see calendar Day One of Jesus' coming Millennium-Long Day of governing over Earth for a thousand years - 1 Corinthians 15:24-26

It sounds like you are saying that the sheep of Matt 25:33 are the great crowd.
Why is it that Matt 25:34 has them taking the inheritance of the Kingdom? Does that mean that they are in the Kingdom?

Matt 25:31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
 

URAVIP2ME

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It sounds like you are saying that the sheep of Matt 25:33 are the great crowd.
Why is it that Matt 25:34 has them taking the inheritance of the Kingdom? Does that mean that they are in the Kingdom?
Matt 25:31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

... and if we continue reading down to Matthew 25:40 the ^above^ verses are referring to Jesus' spiritual ' brothers.
How people reacted to or treated Jesus' spiritual ' brothers'.

Yes, the figurative living ' sheep' of Matthew 25:37 is connected to the un-numbered 'great crowd' of people of Revelation 7:9.
They come through the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14 and will be here alive on Earth to see the start of calendar Day One of Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental reign over Earth.

God's kingdom (or government with Jesus as King) means: being in the kingdom, being part of the kingdom.
When Jesus acts as that figurative ' stone ' of Daniel 2:34-35; Daniel 2:44-45 then Jesus establishes Not only Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill, but will also reverse all suffering on Earth - Revelation 22:2.
Thus, it is still proper or appropriate to pray for that kingdom government to come - Matthew 6:10
 

Brian2

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... and if we continue reading down to Matthew 25:40 the ^above^ verses are referring to Jesus' spiritual ' brothers.
How people reacted to or treated Jesus' spiritual ' brothers'.

Yes, the figurative living ' sheep' of Matthew 25:37 is connected to the un-numbered 'great crowd' of people of Revelation 7:9.
They come through the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14 and will be here alive on Earth to see the start of calendar Day One of Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental reign over Earth.

God's kingdom (or government with Jesus as King) means: being in the kingdom, being part of the kingdom.
When Jesus acts as that figurative ' stone ' of Daniel 2:34-35; Daniel 2:44-45 then Jesus establishes Not only Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill, but will also reverse all suffering on Earth - Revelation 22:2.
Thus, it is still proper or appropriate to pray for that kingdom government to come - Matthew 6:10

So why do the sheep inherit the Kingdom if they are not part of the 144000?
 
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