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Christians...is sexual attraction a choice?

savagewind

savagewind

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lewisnotmiller said:
I was confused by this response?
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It is nice to see you again...thank you for reading me...I have not met a man intimately yet that seems to have a choice about relaxing his hard-on without my help. OMG! I am NOT bragging. I just have learned irrelevantly that a man and his penis are one. Is it not so?
 
Saint Frankenstein

Saint Frankenstein

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savagewind said:
It is nice to see you again...thank you for reading me...I have not met a man intimately yet that seems to have a choice about relaxing his hard-on without my help. OMG! I am NOT bragging. I just have learned irrelevantly that a man and his penis are one. Is it not so?
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o_O
 
savagewind

savagewind

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Link said:
Yes, moral condemnation like many wrong things, wake you up to it being wrong. That is why it's important for people to never stop condemning it and teaching their children it's evil and wrong.
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I think that what you might want to say is that it is evil and wrong to direct another person for their good.
 
savagewind

savagewind

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Saint Frankenstein said:
I found your post bizarre. No, man aren't sex beasts. Not mature ones, anyway. Posts like that make me concerned for you.
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I am NOT talking about walking by a guy. But, thanks for the laugh I am talking about dinner and drinks. Why not stop while you're ahead for goodness sake?
 
Deeje

Deeje

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Unveiled Artist said:
My two cents. I think some will respect your beliefs if your choice in words and stereotype language were not the case. It's easier (at least from my perspective) to respect an opposing opinion if both sides are on equal grounding of respect and knowledge. Words by context such as homosexual, lifestyle, "choice", etc are very red flag words just as n*, or, even deaf and dumb.
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Do you think the Creator has any interest in political correctness? He calls a spade a spade, but others may want to call it a shovel. Should he change the definition of his own laws to suit the sensibilities of those who transgress them.....? Why would he? He has never proven himself to be the ‘all forgiving sop’ that many people want him to be. His laws are set in concrete and, like him, will never change.....like it or not.

These words are a negative based on a. how they used b. why they are used. and c. that they Are used cause much more issues than just disagreeing with you about what homosexuality means from two separate sources in general.
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The God I worship does not tip toe around wilful and deliberate sin. He sets the rules and those who care more about offending him than they care about him offending them, will respond accordingly. He wants willing obedience, not those who have to be dragged kicking and screaming about how unfair it all is. He will never require anyone to do anything against their will, which is why everyone has the freedom to be who they are. But the day of reckoning will come.

I’m sorry if you find my words offensive, but for this topic, it is what it is, and sugar coating poison just makes it more palatable IMO.

Is that what you think is required? It should be enough that God says it’s wrong to engage in homosexual acts. He does not judge the person for their orientation, but for their actions, just like the rest of us.

If we have no belief in this God and wish to conduct our life as we want to....then we are free to do just that, for now. But all will answer to the Creator in the end. It’s about our choices....and engaging in sex is a choice.
 
U

Unveiled Artist

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I'm not debating or saying whether homosexuality is a sin or not; that's irrelevant because I'm not christian. What I am saying is...

Deeje said:
Do you think the Creator has any interest in political correctness? He calls a spade a spade, but others may want to call it a shovel. Should he change the definition of his own laws to suit the sensibilities of those who transgress them.....? Why would he? He has never proven himself to be the ‘all forgiving sop’ that many people want him to be. His laws are set in concrete and, like him, will never change.....like it or not.
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That you're stereotyping. You're focused on the people by the words you use not the topic.

A heterosexual would be a homosexual if he or she had same-sex sex from biblical reasoning. So, it's not your beliefs, it's the stereotyping and choice in words.

Deeje said:
The God I worship does not tip toe around wilful and deliberate sin. He sets the rules and those who care more about offending him than they care about him offending them, will respond accordingly. He wants willing obedience, not those who have to be dragged kicking and screaming about how unfair it all is. He will never require anyone to do anything against their will, which is why everyone has the freedom to be who they are. But the day of reckoning will come.
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That's fine. I have no issues with your belief since it's, well, yours not mine.

What I'm saying is your attacking the person. I don't know if you're polite in person, but I assume there are some words you avoid using with people.

Words like homosexuality (to an gay person), N* (to a black person), trailer trash (to a white person), even pagan (to a non-abrahamic) have negative connotations.

I'm just saying you can say the same thing but being aware of how you use the words as they come off as insults.

Deeje said:
I’m sorry if you find my words offensive, but for this topic, it is what it is, and sugar coating poison just makes it more palatable IMO.

Is that what you think is required? It should be enough that God says it’s wrong to engage in homosexual acts. He does not judge the person for their orientation, but for their actions, just like the rest of us.

If we have no belief in this God and wish to conduct our life as we want to....then we are free to do just that, for now. But all will answer to the Creator in the end. It’s about our choices....and engaging in sex is a choice.
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But this is irrelevant to why I commented. It has nothing to do with what you believe about sex.
 
Deeje

Deeje

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@Unveiled Artist you are saying that I shouldn't use a word that the Bible uses because its offensive to people who associate the words with discrimination? Is that what you're saying?

If I quote the Bible, which as a Christian is my only source of reference, then I will use the words that are contained in that book because I am not at liberty to change them for the sake of being politically correct. I can't find the "N" word in the Bible, nor can I find racism against people of color. I do find false worship mentioned, but not "trailer trash" or any allusion to such people. I will just tell it like it is. Those who wish to take offense will, no matter how I phrase it.

If I am going to give my views on what forms the basis for my beliefs, then "homosexual" is the translation of the original words.....which mean "Sodomite" (those who practice anal sex) and "effeminate" which denotes a male who wears soft clothing like a woman. Both passive and active partners in homosexual acts are referred to in those terms. Those who act, and those who submit to the act, are equally guilty of sin in the eyes of the Creator. I cannot change that to facilitate a better response from those who fit that description. That is not my job....my job is to inform those who are interested about what the Bible says, without 'tip toeing' around the issue. In Israel, under God's Law this was a capital offense. I can't change that either.
Those who are not interested in what the Bible says can simply ignore my comments. That is their prerogative.

I am really sick of the whole "gay" thing to tell you the truth, (they destroyed a perfectly good word IMO) and I wish everyone would just stop talking about it. No amount of talking is going to change God's opinion on this issue, or change the minds of those who wish to engage in the lifestyle. It will never be "normal" to me because sex has a noble purpose and 'gay sex' has no place in that. We only have gender for reproductive purposes, there is no other reason for it, which means it was not given to simply enjoy it for pleasure alone.....that is my opinion.

To see these disgusting displays such as the one we have in Sydney every year, turns my stomach TBH. What would happen if "straight" people held such parades, openly expressing and promoting lewd sexual practices in public...and proud of it? What on earth would persuade a family to attend such a gathering with their young children? It would not be so offensive if it was not so openly sexual.
 
Jainarayan

Jainarayan

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Deeje said:
Reading the title of the thread, it says “Christians” and as a Christian, I responded. It is now in “Religious Debates” and My response was from my religious perspective. Why are you butting in? It wasn’t me who moved the thread, nor do I understand the reason for the move, except for the reason that non-Christians might want to put in their two cents worth?
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In the first place I had no part in the decision to move it. When I responded it was already in General Religious Debates. File a grievance in Site Feedback. Secondly, I don’t have to explain to you or anyone else why I responded except to my bosses here, if they ask me. So there’s that.

And I would still advocate the Bible’s moral code as I believe it is the best way to avoid many of the ills that have plagued humanity since time immemorial.
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You just answered your own question why I “butted in”, since I believe the Bible is one of the worst ways to live one’s life. The only redeeming value I see is in the red letters. Remember, I was Christian for over 30 years... which is why I’m not Christian anymore.

You know what this sounds like to me?....your hostility is motivated by anyone who fails to accept your lifestyle as “normal”. I don’t believe it will ever be acceptable to the Creator.....that is my belief, but it’s your choice to live as you want to live. You don’t have to answer to me.
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Again, I don’t need anyone’s approval or validation for my life. You’re right, I don’t have to answer to you but do feel the need to counter proselytizing. And certainly not to your creator, whom I don’t believe is anything more than another deity in another pantheon. I’ve gotten through life so far very well thank you.
 
Moonjuice

Moonjuice

In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey
savagewind said:
It might be because they hate the other sex. Is hate genetic? Probably.
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What a strange idea. I’m not attracted to obese women. I certainly don’t hate them, but I don’t find them sexually attractive. Hating what you don’t find attractive doesn’t compute.
 
U

Unveiled Artist

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I'm not quite sure how this came to be.

Deeje said:
@Unveiled Artist you are saying that I shouldn't use a word that the Bible uses because its offensive to people who associate the words with discrimination? Is that what you're saying?
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No. I never said that.

I said words like homosexual, n*, pagan, and like words have negative connotations.

I also said what "you" are doing is stereotyping.

The bible can't "stereotype" because in that period, there was no knowledge of sexual orientation and no one knew that two people of the same sex could actually love each other back then. Many of us know now our hearts aren't defined by our sex, so the points of view are totally different.

Anyway. I'm sure you're a nice person.

Deeje said:
If I quote the Bible, which as a Christian is my only source of reference, then I will use the words that are contained in that book because I am not at liberty to change them for the sake of being politically correct. I can't find the "N" word in the Bible, nor can I find racism against people of color. I do find false worship mentioned, but not "trailer trash" or any allusion to such people. I will just tell it like it is. Those who wish to take offense will, no matter how I phrase it.
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When you say it in context it sounds like trailer trash to many. So if you said "you homosexuals are sinners because of X" it's an insult and stereotype.

If god told you to take the lives of thousands of people as he did in the OT, would you?

Deeje said:
If I am going to give my views on what forms the basis for my beliefs, then "homosexual" is the translation of the original words.....which mean "Sodomite" (those who practice anal sex) and "effeminate" which denotes a male who wears soft clothing like a woman. Both passive and active partners in homosexual acts are referred to in those terms. Those who act, and those who submit to the act, are equally guilty of sin in the eyes of the Creator. I cannot change that to facilitate a better response from those who fit that description. That is not my job....my job is to inform those who are interested about what the Bible says, without 'tip toeing' around the issue. In Israel, under God's Law this was a capital offense. I can't change that either.
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That's fine... that's your thing. That's not my point though.

Deeje said:
e who are not interested in what the Bible says can simply ignore my comments. That is their prerogative.

I am really sick of the whole "gay" thing to tell you the truth, (they destroyed a perfectly good word IMO) and I wish everyone would just stop talking about it. No amount of talking is going to change God's opinion on this issue, or change the minds of those who wish to engage in the lifestyle. It will never be "normal" to me because sex has a noble purpose and 'gay sex' has no place in that. We only have gender for reproductive purposes, there is no other reason for it, which means it was not given to simply enjoy it for pleasure alone.....that is my opinion.
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What's the "gay" thing? I never heard of that before. I mean (using me as a brief example), I just wake up, get something to eat, put my jogging clothes on, and work my computer the rest of the day, meditate, and go to sleep. That's most my day. I don't think about being gay 99.9999% of the time as most gay people...

What's the gay thing? (Lifestyle/gay thing/etc are stereotypes)

This has (I hope) have nothing to do with sex.

Deeje said:
To see these disgusting displays such as the one we have in Sydney every year, turns my stomach TBH. What would happen if "straight" people held such parades, openly expressing and promoting lewd sexual practices in public...and proud of it? What on earth would persuade a family to attend such a gathering with their young children? It would not be so offensive if it was not so openly sexual.
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Oh, I don't know about other countries. Generation gap has a lot to do with it too. In the US we're pretty cool about it-at least here in the southern states where the bible is pretty influential in the things we're "allowed" to do.

What you're doing is projecting your views on gay people you see in Sydney on all gay people.

That, and assuming what you see is how the rest of us view sex.

It's like my saying all JW are X because I saw it on television, heard people's stories, and read them online. I actually met and talk with other JW and some people actually nice.

So much for stereotypes?
 
Jainarayan

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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Wildswanderer said:
I don't think that's 100 percent true. I can program myself to be attracted to certain things. If you choose over and over to love your wife even when she is unlovable, sooner or later it becomes second nature. If I tell myself enough times that something I want to eat is nasty sooner or later I'm going to believe it. But of course all that takes discipline...
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Why would anyone have to program or discipline themselves to be homosexual, engage in homosexual sex or enter into a same sex relationship? Why would anyone put themselves in a life situation that could get them fired, beaten half to death, or even beaten to death, shunned by family or friends? And the answer “I can’t speak for others” is not the answer. It’s a cop out I’ve heard too many times.
 
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