74x12
Well-Known Member
That's probably mental believe it or not some people's tastes in food have completely changed due to trauma to the brain. Either waking from a coma or something. If it was just genetics then their tastes should not change.
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Christians...is sexual attraction a choice?
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Please. It explicitly singles out men having sex with other men. If it were just about the adultery, then there would be no need to single out gay sex.
There's nothing immoral about sex if it happens between 2 consenting adults. Of any gender.
Only to those who believe in it.
Except when they don't believe the whole jesus savior bit, off course. Then conduct doesn't matter.
So, do you have a problem with 2 gay men having sex while married?
I guess you don't, because as per your own statements, it's not about they gay sex, it's about the sex outside of marriage. So if a gay couple is married, it's fine, right? Right?
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Delusional.
Here's a thought exercise for you (assume you are male and heterosexual).
Imagine you making to choice to become gay.
Imagine getting into bed with a man.
Now, do you think you will by physically able to go through with it?
You know what needs to happen right? You need to get an erection.
Do you think you'll get it up?
I'm a heterosexual male. I can guarantee you that I won't be able to.
In fact, if I'm in the middle of a steamy sexy sex session with the most gorgeous babe imaginable, horny beyond comprehension.... show me a naked man and it will be a serious mood killer. To the point that it's bye-bye erection.
Not that I am "disgusted" by men. It's just that I am not gay.
Nor could I simply "choose" to be. My biology simply isn't wired like that.
A befriended couple of us are gay men.
We talked about this some time ago. For them, the exact opposite of my scenario is true.
A naked women does nothing for them. It doesn't get them going at all.
This is not a matter of "choice".
This is a matter of biology and hormones.
Moonjuice
In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey
Either way, I'm not making a choice to find the taste not good.
Moonjuice
In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey
If there is a heterosexual man that doesn't agree with this, I'd be surprised. You can't fake an erection without some sort of medication. It is a natural response to what you find sexually attractive.
There is an element of choice in all that, it's not that anyone just wants to be homosexual, but they can resist and not give into to the trick from Iblis. And brain and it's neuroplasticity, is that it can be rewired. There is a whole movement of ex-homosexuals or ex-bisexuals, and they say they changed. Sure, some are just deceiving themselves, and didn't actually let go of their desires, but who is to say they are all lying and that none of them changed their state by the help of the holy spirit as they claim?
Moonjuice
In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey
People claim all sorts of things that are not true. What is amazing to me is how easily people accept claims with zero evidence. I'm convinced that if the table was flipped, if someone was going to pray the hetero away and rewire my brain to find men sexually attractive, good luck! You might as well stick me in a cold pool, because the chance of performance is zero. I see no reason to believe that anyone could trick my mind into finding something attractive that is naturally unattractive to me. However, I am certain that I could lie about it. I am certain that with enough pressure from family, society, church, school, friends etc. I could easily claim that my sexual attraction has been cured. For some countries and certain religions, you would have to lie about it or risk being murdered by your own fellow god believers.
Seriously....this thread was inviting comments from Christians and my response said nothing about Hindus or Buddhists....it was a Christian answering a direct question....did I say that people who don't believe the Bible can't be moral......nice strawman you have there.....did you enjoy knocking him to the ground?
Why are you even here? How constructive is your own comment to the thread....?Good grief....
Your post was for Christians only but you’ll see it’s been moved. It’s now not only for Christians. If I had broken any rules I’d have gotten called to the office. That’s why I’m here, so there’s that.
That said, you’re pushing the Bible, as usual, as the code of morality par excellence and ultimate authority on... well, everything ... “If everyone just obeyed the Bible's moral laws, would there be infidelity and its devastating betrayal?” You’re tacitly saying that if one doesn’t follow the Bible’s moral code one can’t be moral, therefore Hindus, Buddhists, Pagans, the indigenous tribes of the Amazon rainforest and others who have their own morality codes are immoral. That’s what it sure sounds like to me. Proselytizing, specifically. Epic failure in trying to backstroke is an epic failure.
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TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
A heterosexual man who tells me that he could have sex with another dude (and thus be sexually aroused by said dude)... I have news for him: he's bisexual.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Who said anything about them being liars?
How about them being just wrong?
I smell an argument from popular opinion.......
How can they be wrong when they are experiencing themselves. Why should I take outside views over what they are claiming themselves?
Moonjuice
In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey
Semen is useless without an egg. In that sense, women are just as much the "transmitters of life" as men are. It is exactly 50/50. Using your logic, every time a woman has a monthly menstrual cycle, their eggs are going somewhere God never intended it to go. So this must be an abomination as well, one that women have no choice over the matter. What a silly idea.
This is what it would look like: Young women would be stoned to death every day. Deuteronomy 22:20-21. Gay men would be murdered everyday. Leviticus 20:13. Anyone who cheats on their spouse will be killed. Leviticus 20:10. Everyone would be killed for having sex before they are married. Leviticus 21:9. If you have an abusive parent and you fight back, you need to be murdered as well. Exodus 21:15. The list goes on and on. Thankfully, we obviously don't get our morals from God or we would all have a lot of murdering to do.
jonathan180iq
Well-Known Member
I find that the same Christians who admit that men can be automatically sexually attracted to other women outside of their marriage, and subsequently use that argument to explain why women should submit to the "needs" of their husbands, have the hardest time admitting that same truth can exist for members of the same sex.
They'll argue on one hand that men are simple machines who instinctively desire anything with legs, yet deny that same cursory ability for homosexual members of their group, because "GOD SAYS GAY BAD".
They'll argue on one hand that men are simple machines who instinctively desire anything with legs, yet deny that same cursory ability for homosexual members of their group, because "GOD SAYS GAY BAD".
I’ve had that one used on me as a response. I’ve asked straight guys if they could have sex with another guy if they wanted to. The response is invariably no response or “yes but I don’t want to because I’m straight”. Riiiiight! Buddy, if you could you’re as queer as a herd of unicorns.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
I have no idea what you are talking about.
Whatever it is, it is perfectly possible to be wrong about your interpretation of an experience you had.
It happens all the time.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
The people claiming have more authority then conjecture about what they are experiencing. They say they are ex-homo and no longer feel that way, I believe them.
