Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
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Unlicensed Handguns
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Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
Yes, "a well regulated militia" seems to me a pretty obvious reference to requiring armed citizens to serve in the army.
But I can see how people who wanted both to own firearms and avoid serving in the army would argue otherwise out of simple self preservation and personal investment.
Those of us who own guns & participate in the democratic process.
We are many.
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
So, a minority of adult Americans.
The argument of obviousness is never compelling.
It's nothing more than "I believe".
The 2nd Amendment offers the well regulated militia" as
the basis for the text that follows, ie, gun ownership rights.
It does not require military service. Moreover, the 13th
Amendment specifically prohibits involuntary servitude,
which conscription is (something government is currently
in denial of).
If you were really a libertarian, you'd oppose compulsory
military service.
So you say.
I'm OK being in a minority regarding many factors.
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
Of course; as long as one is White, wealthy and politically mainstream, being a minority can be an enormous perk.
You.sure.do.live.in.a.world.of.vapid.stereotypes.
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
Don't be so harsh on yourself, some of your traits are very non stereotypical for a Scotsman.
Peter Griffin
Deist
Do you feel that the original intent of the second amendment still holds true today? Do you feel that the founding fathers would feel the same today that they did when they drafted the constitution? Just curious.
Peter Griffin
Deist
Interesting article...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...econd-amendment-really-meant-to-the-founders/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...econd-amendment-really-meant-to-the-founders/
I don't think the original intention is being preserved.
IMO, it was that all citizens could own state of the art
militarily capable small arms. Today, that would mean
select fire rifles (ie, assault rifles). Yet those are now
regulated in a manner that's more of a difficult to
obtain privilege.
esmith
Veteran Member
To answer that question yes, one would have to believe that the intent was to insure a militia or militias could be formed.
Then taking it a step forward one has to ask themselves would there ever arise in the future an event that would need militia or militias.
There have been many storylines written about future events whose theme was a catastrophic event that required ordinary citizens to form militias.
So the answer to your question is......... almost anything is possible.
McBell
Resident Sourpuss
Texans will soon be able to carry handguns in public without obtaining licenses or training after the state's Republican governor on Wednesday signed a permitless carry gun bill into law.
The measure approved by Gov. Greg Abbott allows individuals 21 and older who can legally possess firearms in the state to carry handguns in public places without permits. The legislation is set to go into effect in September.
In signing HB 1927 into law, Texas joins a handful of other conservative-led states that have passed measures this year allowing some form of permitless carry and expanded gun rights at the state level. Democrats and some law enforcement officials in the state say the bill eliminates mandatory firearms training that helps protect the public and also makes it more difficult to determine who is unlawfully carrying a weapon.
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Republican supporters of the permitless carry bill, who often refer to it as "constitutional carry," argue that by removing the licensing requirement, they are removing an artificial barrier to residents' right to bear arms and ensuring more Texans have access to personal protection in public.
Texas already allows citizens to carry rifles openly without licenses. Under current Texas law, residents must have licenses to carry open or concealed handguns. As part of the licensing process, residents must submit a fingerprint, undergo a background check, participate in a training course and pass a shooting proficiency test.
CNN previously reported that five other states -- Iowa, Tennessee, Montana, Utah and Wyoming -- have passed legislation allowing some form of permitless carry this year.
Texas' GOP governor signs permit-free gun carrying legislation - CNNPoliticsThe measure approved by Gov. Greg Abbott allows individuals 21 and older who can legally possess firearms in the state to carry handguns in public places without permits. The legislation is set to go into effect in September.
In signing HB 1927 into law, Texas joins a handful of other conservative-led states that have passed measures this year allowing some form of permitless carry and expanded gun rights at the state level. Democrats and some law enforcement officials in the state say the bill eliminates mandatory firearms training that helps protect the public and also makes it more difficult to determine who is unlawfully carrying a weapon.
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Republican supporters of the permitless carry bill, who often refer to it as "constitutional carry," argue that by removing the licensing requirement, they are removing an artificial barrier to residents' right to bear arms and ensuring more Texans have access to personal protection in public.
Texas already allows citizens to carry rifles openly without licenses. Under current Texas law, residents must have licenses to carry open or concealed handguns. As part of the licensing process, residents must submit a fingerprint, undergo a background check, participate in a training course and pass a shooting proficiency test.
CNN previously reported that five other states -- Iowa, Tennessee, Montana, Utah and Wyoming -- have passed legislation allowing some form of permitless carry this year.
esmith
Veteran Member
Do you see any problem with this?
We have had open carry for years and a few years back the State passed a law permiting conceled carry without a permit. We have seen no increase in firearm related incidents due to this.
In July 2021 there will be 20 States that allow permitless concelled carry. Now there are a few restrictions for additional information see
https://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/Permitless_Carry_States.pdf
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Pride in one's own country and its military is in short supply these days.
esmith
Veteran Member
What military grade weapons are you referring to?
tytlyf
Not Religious
If that's even true, you can thank the last president for trashing the country. *Worst president in American history has consequences
I wish I had easy access to military grade weapons. I have to make do with a semi-automatic sporting rifle.
Kentucky has had permitless concealed carry for almost a year now, and we didn't suddenly turn into the Old West.