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some christian's believe that works won't get you to heaven; so why then idolize jesus, or worship him?
James 2:14-17Heaven cannot be earned by our own merit, so works alone is not enough, but faith at the root of good works.
some christian's believe that works won't get you to heaven; so why then idolize jesus, or worship him?
As Jeremiah Ames said, It's a conundrum...
Yep, and I followed that conference quite closely and even referred to it a few days ago here at RF. Even though I'm Catholic, I was brought up in a fundamentalist Lutheran church.It may be that James is correcting a misunderstanding of Paul's formula. Or that Paul was arguing that observance of ritual works prescribed by the Mosaic Law would not justify the Gentiles.
While its always been a bone of contention between Catholics and Protestants, there was a close to mutual understanding between Lutheran and Catholic positions.
The Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification essentially says that Lutherans and Catholics explain justification in different ways but share the same basic understanding. The central passage reads, “Together we confess: by grace alone, in faith in Christ’s saving work and not because of any merit on our part, we are accepted by God and receive the Holy Spirit, who renews our hearts while equipping us and calling us to good works.” The declaration acknowledges that good works are a genuine response to God’s grace—not the cause of it.
It may be that James is correcting a misunderstanding of Paul's formula. Or that Paul was arguing that observance of ritual works prescribed by the Mosaic Law would not justify the Gentiles.
While its always been a bone of contention between Catholics and Protestants, there was a close to mutual understanding between Lutheran and Catholic positions.
The Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification essentially says that Lutherans and Catholics explain justification in different ways but share the same basic understanding. The central passage reads, “Together we confess: by grace alone, in faith in Christ’s saving work and not because of any merit on our part, we are accepted by God and receive the Holy Spirit, who renews our hearts while equipping us and calling us to good works.” The declaration acknowledges that good works are a genuine response to God’s grace—not the cause of it.
That doesn't make sense ? How do they relate?some christian's believe that works won't get you to heaven; so why then idolize jesus, or worship him?
In the OT Faith + works . After the cross . Faith .James 2:14-17
What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
As Jeremiah Ames said, It's a conundrum...
Maybe reread Jesus' Parable of the Seed & Sower, and then maybe turn to Paul's statement about "faith" without good works.In the OT Faith + works . After the cross . Faith .
Who s James writing to ?Maybe reread Jesus' Parable of the Seed & Sower, and then maybe turn to Paul's statement about "faith" without good works.
Also:
Gal.2[16] yet who know that a man is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ, and not by works of the law, because by works of the law shall no one be justified.
Notice the reference is to works of the [Jewish] law.
For further clarification on this we have what James wrote:
Jas.2[14] What does it profit, my brethren, if a man says he has faith but has not works? Can his faith save him?[17] So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead.[18] But some one will say, "You have faith and I have works." Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith.[20] Do you want to be shown, you shallow man, that faith apart from works is barren?[21] Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar?[22] You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by works,[24] You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.[25] And in the same way was not also Rahab the harlot justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?[26] For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so faith apart from works is dead.
Jas.3[13] Who is wise and understanding among you? By his good life let him show his works in the meekness of wisdom.
In the OT Faith + works . After the cross . Faith .
To the 12 tribes . In the tribulation it will be a return to Faith and worksok
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works
this was written after the cross
notice the word “by”
i am wondering what it means?
if you happen to pop back into this thread, could you please give me your thoughts on what is God’s grace?
To the 12 tribes . In the tribulation it will be a return to Faith and works
Grace is the love of God beyond the Trinity. There is grace at the roots of the world. The universe is rooted in grace. It exists because it is loved absolutely.
you're working when idolizing. its an action on the part of the idolator towards an object vs some other object. its very interesting in how christians shoul know god is not a respecter of persons and james tells believers not to be either but christian's ignore the lawThat doesn't make sense ? How do they relate?