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Of course, we're also forgetting that those younger folks -- who let's face it get out and socialize more -- while perhaps not dying are certainly spreading the virus around. And possibly spreading it to people older than themselves who might not be all that interested in dying.
I'm guessing you're between 15 and 24, since that's the only group you seem to have any interest at all in.
That's exactly why you should not try to overinterpret data from a table when you do understand the background to it. The deaths are only a handful, possibly not statistically significant, and in any case there are double the number of deaths from unvaccinated people.It's spooky to me because what's happening there will probably spread everywhere at some point.
There's another forum where they are calculating the percentages and analyzing the columns.
Just eyeballing the death collumn, where would I rather find myself?
Out of 19,573 unvaccinated with 23 deaths?
Out of 5,393 vaccinated with one dose and 7 deaths?
Or one of the 1,785 with both doses and 12 deaths?
It looks like the people with both doses of vaccine are doing worse.
There was a quote from a Sky News article back a while ago that said;
This was May 13:
A third coronavirus wave could happen in late summer or autumn if the next steps out of lockdown continue as planned, scientists advising the government warned.
But, if variants of concern emerge that are comparable to the Kent variant - with similar transmissibility and with a much higher ability to evade immunity from vaccines - a third wave could be "substantially larger", both in hospital admissions and deaths - than the spike in the winter of 2021, the researchers said.
"Given the high vaccine uptake observed so far, most deaths are predicted to occur in vaccinated individuals, because of imperfect vaccine efficacy," the report said.
Coronavirus: Third UK wave could occur in late summer if reopening continues, scientists warn
It seemed counter intuitive. Why would more deaths be in the fully vaccinated column?
Because of imperfect vaccine efficacy?
Do a google on ADE. It happened with dengue. If this chart is an early indication of it's occurrence with the Delta Variant's interaction with our Covid Vaccines, it would give me a cause for pause. It would mean big trouble for the world. More than "spooky".
Let me just wait and see.
I'm not taking medical advice from a politician (Ford or Trudeau).
But I agree, this chart is not a large enough sample containing any detail.
Maybe the 1,785 were all from an old folks home, maybe the 19,573 were all school age kids. But I doubt it.
There is a huge difference between the emotional word "EXPERIMENTAL" and a variant on an existing drug.
You have forgotten that it is recommended for more than just the susceptible. Some bozo in the CDC thought "hey, why don't we stop this from spreading." I wish you'd consider that.
I'm not saying we shouldn't. Stopping a spread of anything harmful is a common sense move.
I think there are a lot of deaths because of an aging baby boomer population. Its why I rely on metrics and not static data on a per capita basis.It's spooky to me because what's happening there will probably spread everywhere at some point.
There's another forum where they are calculating the percentages and analyzing the columns.
Just eyeballing the death collumn, where would I rather find myself?
Out of 19,573 unvaccinated with 23 deaths?
Out of 5,393 vaccinated with one dose and 7 deaths?
Or one of the 1,785 with both doses and 12 deaths?
It looks like the people with both doses of vaccine are doing worse.
There was a quote from a Sky News article back a while ago that said;
This was May 13:
A third coronavirus wave could happen in late summer or autumn if the next steps out of lockdown continue as planned, scientists advising the government warned.
But, if variants of concern emerge that are comparable to the Kent variant - with similar transmissibility and with a much higher ability to evade immunity from vaccines - a third wave could be "substantially larger", both in hospital admissions and deaths - than the spike in the winter of 2021, the researchers said.
"Given the high vaccine uptake observed so far, most deaths are predicted to occur in vaccinated individuals, because of imperfect vaccine efficacy," the report said.
Coronavirus: Third UK wave could occur in late summer if reopening continues, scientists warn
It seemed counter intuitive. Why would more deaths be in the fully vaccinated column?
Because of imperfect vaccine efficacy?
Do a google on ADE. It happened with dengue. If this chart is an early indication of it's occurrence with the Delta Variant's interaction with our Covid Vaccines, it would give me a cause for pause. It would mean big trouble for the world. More than "spooky".
Let me just wait and see.
I'm not taking medical advice from a politician (Ford or Trudeau).
But I agree, this chart is not a large enough sample containing any detail.
Maybe the 1,785 were all from an old folks home, maybe the 19,573 were all school age kids. But I doubt it.
You don't know anything about ADE and are in no position to make statements like that. I bet you only found out what ADE is a few weeks ago, from some anti-vaxxer website, or YouTube video.
Same with that UK paper you quoted: you didn't dig that out and you've no idea what it signifies. ADE if it were ever to arise for SARS-CoV-2, would be far more likely to come from weak natural immunity following infection than from one of these vaccines, which create a far more robust immune response at multiple levels.
Remember, "given the high vaccine uptake," which means lots of people are getting vacccinated. If you have a population of 80% vaccinated, 20% not, and "imperfect efficacy," then sure you may have more deaths among the larger group -- simply because it's a larger group. But it will not be in the same proportion. Later in the same article that you cite, Imperial College's Professor Neil Ferguson said current UK COVID trends "are looking very positive, and support the decision to substantially relax restrictions". And he also said vaccines have played a major role in reducing hospital admissions and deaths, as well as significantly reducing transmission.
Then check out why you probably don't need to stress about ADE -
You don't know anything about ADE and are in no position to make statements like that. I bet you only found out what ADE is a few weeks ago, from some anti-vaxxer website, or YouTube video.
