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Do you feel you are being discriminated against? How?

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By the way, I believe freedom of humans to choose, but also I have the right to believe humans who choose other then the leaders chosen by God and their light and envy their chosen status and oppose the believers of the leaders anointed by God are the worse and deserve hell forever. You can't forbid everything in hate speech.

This I believe because the religion proven by God with clear proofs can't be equated with any other religion and God and his door has to be chosen over the darkness

I believe homosexuals are free to choose that, but I do believe they all go to hell for that choice. I won't discriminate when it comes to skills in work nor condemn in work setting, but I have the right to believe homosexuality leads to darkness and is a result of being controlled by dark magic of Iblis and his forces and being intoxicated by their darkness and evil.
 
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RestlessSoul

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Then I guess I am not currently poor but have been in the past. I pay my bills barely through government assistance.


Something for you to be grateful for then.

I know from some of your posts, that life has not always been easy for you. I trust and pray that good days lie ahead
 

VoidCat

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Something for you to be grateful for then.

I know from some of your posts, that life has not always been easy for you. I trust and pray that good days lie ahead
I feel I might be seeing better days soon after some chaos I'll be causing in my family soon.

Edit: I tried thinking of aside from recently when life was easy for me. I came up with never. Even now I still have issues with CPTSD.:( but I believe that'll be changing soon. I've been going to therapy and have started processing my past. I am only 19. My childhood was terrible due to abuse. My life has really just begun
 
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Viker

Häxan
Yes. Quite often.
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I fight it. I make a stand. This is a stand or fall world. It can't be ignored. It won't just go away.

Best way to get rid of it is to fight, inform and educate.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
One definition of discrimination I came across says that:

Unlawful discrimination arises when someone is treated unfairly because of their age, disability, family/carer responsibilities, gender identity (including trans, transgender and gender diverse), homosexuality or other sexual orientation, marital, domestic or relationship status, race, or sex.
(Discrimination)

Do you believe you or your group are singled out, ostracised or discriminated against. It could also be based on wealth or lack of it.

How would you deal with being treated differently say by those of higher academic status? Being ignored or rebuffed. How should we deal with discrimination? Confront it, fight it, or just ignore it. Will it go away if we ignore it? How can we get rid of it?
Being discriminated is the recognition that you're special. The question is whether you like that or not.
 

1213

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One definition of discrimination I came across says that:

Unlawful discrimination arises when someone is treated unfairly because... ...How should we deal with discrimination? Confront it, fight it, or just ignore it. Will it go away if we ignore it? How can we get rid of it?

I feel discrimination in how for example Twitter, Facebook and Google censor’s speech. However, I think they have right to decide that speech that they don’t like is not published on their system. But, I think the same right should then be for example in Christians system. I think people should have right to not to accept everything.
 

1213

Well-Known Member
Yes. Quite often.
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I fight it. I make a stand. This is a stand or fall world. It can't be ignored. It won't just go away.

Best way to get rid of it is to fight, inform and educate.

That flag should be cancelled, because it has white on key point and “whiteness is what can’t be tolerated nowadays”. And there really are more colors than that has. :D

However, easy solution would be to have brown flag, because that is what you get when you mix all the colors (may depend on the color system and also is black and with really even colors, not in tv-world at least).
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
President W. Bush, like his father and Reagan, were made presidents by the Religious Right, and it is that mindset that has molded American morality and made it a biased nation. Blacks are beaten in the streets while being called the N-word (e.g. Rodney King)(Floyd strangled). Reagan had ordered UC Berkeley Vietnam war protestors to be beaten in the heads with billy clubs, and all they did was object to the harsh Communist-like rule that drafted young men into a war that they didn't deem right or just. They could have become conscientious objectors, and lose their freedom in prison (where young men with long hair are prized after dropping the soap), or they could have fled to Canada.

Patriot Act - Wikipedia

Link (Patriot Act....which isn't patriotic): When the US was under attack by terrorist Al Qaeda (also known as ISI and ISIS), President George W. Bush wanted to quickly protect Americas (some of whom were shuddering in fear, wondering if the next attack would kill someone that they love). This unprovoked act of war prompted W. Bush to push for the Patriot Act, because he didn't want law enforcement to be shackled by politically correct measures. At airports, W. Bush wanted Arab terrorists quickly identified. So, if we use politically correct means to hunt for Arab Terrorists, we must also hunt for a little blonde girl who is with her parents, flying across the country to receive a girl scout award. W. Bush wanted to focus on the Arab terrorist who is shouting "death to Americans" and sitting in his airplane seat lighting his shoe bomb on fire (by the way, that charred his crotch and didn't explode, and he was apprehended).

From my standpoint, the Al Qaeda won. Their purpose was to not only tear down the twin World Trade Towers, but to tear down America, itself. Tear down the fabric of American law that makes it special among all other nations of the world. Tear down the democracy and protections of rights, and make America into a tyrannical country that it has now become (akin to the old Soviet Union under its harshest dictator).

The war in Iraq killed about 1,000,000 Iraqis, and they had no link to terrorism or Weapons of Mass Destruction, or the other so-called Axis of Evil partners (North Korea nor Iran).

By killing a million (including innocent children and women and other noncombatants), Americans felt a bit safer. Is that what God tells us to do...."thou shalt not kill"....kill to feel a bit safer, though the enemy is not evil? "thou shalt not bear false witness"...call them the "Axis of Evil" and describe some of their leaders and military men as "doctor of death" or "doctor evil." Does God tell us to attack before we have a clear understanding of complicity in crimes against us? God wants us to be patient. God wanted us not to attack Iraq, while He (God) got the enemies for us....if you have faith, you'd let Him.

The Patriot Act is with us for good (there was no sundown clause, as requested by ancient senator Byrd). It was made to get the al Qaeda, but persists because it is handy against drug dealers (though, with covert phones, drug dealers are doing better than they ever have, and narcotic use is up all over America, and slimy underworld thugs are raking in money hand over fist, while addicting Americans.

Things were no better under President Clinton, who had appointed a drug tsar to supposedly stop drugs from the Medellin Drug Cartel of Colombia, South America and take power from Pablo Escobar's ilk.

Even Mexico is getting better at catching narcotics traffickers, as the arrest (two days ago, by Mexican authorities) of the wife of Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman attests (El Chapo is the largest narcotics trafficker in the world).

American Indians still protest Whites taking their land.

Blacks protest their ancestors being kidnapped from Africa, brought to America against their will, chained, beaten, renamed, and removed from their culture and language, and working hard while their White masters played. Yet, America elected a half-Black president (Obama), not to mention half-Black Abraham Lincoln (illegitimate son of a slave and Mrs. Lincoln--as love letters and DNA attest).

Asians think that Whites flee from their neighborhoods, and there is little offered for Asian actors.

Hispanics feel discrimination, especially because of a wall at the border.

Some described America as a melting pot, where all races got along and all shared freedoms. Others described America as a salad, where various races preferred their own company so voluntarily segregated. Today, however, it is more like a toxic mixture of diverse cultures, snapping and snarling at one another.

Though religion was very much part of the problem, could religion be the solution, as well? Could religion heal the wounds and bind the nation as a cohesive whole, once again? After all, we are all God's children.

I personally think that to heal these wounds will require the re education of society along the lines that all men are equal. There can be no exceptions and this must become law fully backed by all. Prejudice must be done away with entirely but it will not happen overnight. When everyone supports this view then change will happen. But all must work towards inclusiveness and fairness and justice not just government. There is good in all faiths, races and nationalities and this needs to be taught in schools.

If religion brings everyone together then it can heal as long as it does not claim itself to be the only true religion and all others false. This is divisive and as bad as things like white supremacy. We need to respect all if we are to get along.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
There is some good in all faiths, but that is only a half truth, as in my opinion there is some bad in many faiths, and schools are not there for teaching half truths and lies just to massage the egos of the religious.

Definitely. No matter how good the actual teachings are history does show that many have failed to live up to their beliefs. We Baha’is too are far from perfect.
 

danieldemol

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Premium Member
Definitely. No matter how good the actual teachings are history does show that many have failed to live up to their beliefs. We Baha’is too are far from perfect.
And no matter how bad certain aspects of the actual teachings are history does show that people who believe in them will sometimes live up to them with bad results.
Baha'is are not perfect on that front either.
In my opinion.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
And no matter how bad certain aspects of the actual teachings are history does show that people who believe in them will sometimes live up to them with bad results.
Baha'is are not perfect on that front either.
In my opinion.

We are all imperfect so we get many things wrong. No religion was ever or will ever create a utopian society. The purpose of religion is to improve man’s condition from what it was previously but it often takes many centuries to happen. So scientifically we have made huge advances and in this age things like human rights, freedom of religion and equal status of women have become predominant in societal policy. These social advances were not at the forefront in previous ages.

The concept of the nation state originally had much to do with Prophet Muhammad Who United the warring tribes of the Arabian Peninsula into one nation with a constitution. The constitution of Medina was the first ever constitution in the world which officially granted rights to other religions. Freedom of religion has eventually become an integral part of all democracies worldwide and other nations.

We are now in an age of universality and multiculturalism which is enshrined in the teachings of Baha’u’llah which promotes a world ethic common to all humanity regardless of race, religion or nationality.

But this must work with human imperfection so while I do believe it will usher in peace, it will not be Utopia. We can and will be able indefinitely to criticise and find fault with people or religionists because we will never be perfect.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Do you believe you or your group are singled out, ostracised or discriminated against. It could also be based on wealth or lack of it.

Ow yes. In many, many ways in various circumstances.

I'm an atheist, pot-smoking, long-haired drummer who's self employed and with an arabic sounding name.
Each of those properties has been the subject of discrimination in the past. Some more then others.

Some of them, in different circumstances, were considered a badge of honor though. So some were also the subject of "positive discrimination" lol.

How would you deal with being treated differently say by those of higher academic status? Being ignored or rebuffed. How should we deal with discrimination? Confront it, fight it, or just ignore it. Will it go away if we ignore it? How can we get rid of it?

It completely depends on the situation.
I tend to try and avoid conflict, for starters. It just sucks to much energy for little reward, most of the time.

This one job interview in particular, really did upset me though. I completely nailed the theoretical part and my technical test literally came back with 100% of the points. There was an awkward moment when the dude asked about my name and my ethnic background. I didn't make much of it at the time, since I was in PR mode, but it stuck. The energy in the room was weird when it came to that subject. The dude's aura changed, if you wish.

Later I heard they hired someone of whom I knew for certain that he barely got 50% on the technical test, if he didn't fail it.

I could have made a thing out of it, for sure. And I would have won the case with my eyes closed. But what would that have gained me? There are only losers when you do that.

- The guy might get fired and the company has its rep hurt
- I'll have my rep hurt as "the guy who sues if he's not hired"
- I still won't have a job, because I wouldn't want to work with racists, nor would I want to start a new job with a lawsuit
- this would spread out in the media and racists would have more ammunition to talk about how "foreigners" are a bunch of whiners and complainers


So at the end of the day, I still don't have a job and all I've done is poison the world even more with negative energy.

So if instead, I forget about the idiot and rise above the situation, smile at the shining sun and get another job from someone who's not a racist prick, and then all that nasty stuff doesn't happen. And people can go about their day with a smile on their face - including the racist who now feels good about himself for having hired someone less qualified because his bloodline is traced to some geographic region he thinks is important.


Everything is better with a smile on your face.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Ow yes. In many, many ways in various circumstances.

I'm an atheist, pot-smoking, long-haired drummer who's self employed and with an arabic sounding name.
Each of those properties has been the subject of discrimination in the past. Some more then others.

Some of them, in different circumstances, were considered a badge of honor though. So some were also the subject of "positive discrimination" lol.



It completely depends on the situation.
I tend to try and avoid conflict, for starters. It just sucks to much energy for little reward, most of the time.

This one job interview in particular, really did upset me though. I completely nailed the theoretical part and my technical test literally came back with 100% of the points. There was an awkward moment when the dude asked about my name and my ethnic background. I didn't make much of it at the time, since I was in PR mode, but it stuck. The energy in the room was weird when it came to that subject. The dude's aura changed, if you wish.

Later I heard they hired someone of whom I knew for certain that he barely got 50% on the technical test, if he didn't fail it.

I could have made a thing out of it, for sure. And I would have won the case with my eyes closed. But what would that have gained me? There are only losers when you do that.

- The guy might get fired and the company has its rep hurt
- I'll have my rep hurt as "the guy who sues if he's not hired"
- I still won't have a job, because I wouldn't want to work with racists, nor would I want to start a new job with a lawsuit
- this would spread out in the media and racists would have more ammunition to talk about how "foreigners" are a bunch of whiners and complainers


So at the end of the day, I still don't have a job and all I've done is poison the world even more with negative energy.

So if instead, I forget about the idiot and rise above the situation, smile at the shining sun and get another job from someone who's not a racist prick, and then all that nasty stuff doesn't happen. And people can go about their day with a smile on their face - including the racist who now feels good about himself for having hired someone less qualified because his bloodline is traced to some geographic region he thinks is important.


Everything is better with a smile on your face.

I really feel for you. I was in an Asian country and the only white person in a village and the same kind of thing happened. The hurt is indescribable and no one who hasn’t had it happen to them can really truly understand how devastating it feels to be treated less than a human being.

I wasn’t prepared mentally for it and had a nervous breakdown when I returned to Australia after 5 years. I saw a counsellor but it took the good part of 7 years to recover. However, it gave me first hand understanding how evil racism is and in that sense I’m glad I went through the ordeal as it gave me a stronger character.

I believe in the oneness of mankind but that experience drove home how important it is for us all to accept each other unconditionally.

I hope you get a job and those who did discriminate didn’t deserve you. Better to work with those who appreciate you for who you are.
 

Unveiled Artist

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Yes. Quite often.
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I fight it. I make a stand. This is a stand or fall world. It can't be ignored. It won't just go away.

Best way to get rid of it is to fight, inform and educate.

Problem is trying to figure out how to educate with them having an open mind.

A lot of discrimination also hides behind religious biases. How do you create someone if its justified by god regardless the time period, translation, and intention of the author(s)... I don't know.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
I really feel for you. I was in an Asian country and the only white person in a village and the same kind of thing happened. The hurt is indescribable and no one who hasn’t had it happen to them can really truly understand how devastating it feels to be treated less than a human being.

I wasn’t prepared mentally for it and had a nervous breakdown when I returned to Australia after 5 years. I saw a counsellor but it took the good part of 7 years to recover. However, it gave me first hand understanding how evil racism is and in that sense I’m glad I went through the ordeal as it gave me a stronger character.

I believe in the oneness of mankind but that experience drove home how important it is for us all to accept each other unconditionally.

I hope you get a job and those who did discriminate didn’t deserve you. Better to work with those who appreciate you for who you are.

While I appreciate your post, I think you're making to much of what happened in my case.
Yes, it's disgusting to be refused a job in favor of someone less qualified, merely because of bloodline / foreign sounding name.

It was rather easy for me to "rise above it", for several reasons.
First, because I'm not actually a "foreigner". Or not an obvious one anyway. My mother is belgian and I look absolutely Belgian. If I don't tell you my name, you'ld never question it. I speak dutch, french and english. I don't speak albanian or arabic. My dad does though. But we speak french at home.

For a lot of "racists", I'm not "really" a foreigner. But just a native Belgian with a weird name.

Secondly, my job is software engineering. IT. Those profiles are so high in demand that even the biggest racist will eventually have to hire who he can get. So I wasn't worried about "not finding a job" at all.

Sure, it feels like gravely unjust. But it doesn't matter to me, because as I said, at the end of the day, I wouldn't want to work with such people anyway. So in a sense, it's like "thanks for the heads up and the reminder never to apply at this company again".


So yes, I found a job not long afterwards. And today, I'm self employed.

Fun detail: the job I eventually found... They basically made me cut my hair. They were quite clear that I wasn't going to get the job looking the way I looked. It hurt, but I did it. I wanted to work because I was saving up for a drumset LOL (still living at home at the time not thinking about the future and just about party and music instead lol).

I worked there for 6 months and then moved on to become a consultant. I met this guy who had a consultancy company while I was playing at a gig. The dude was covered in piercings and tattoo's and I was like "yep, that's the mother ship, calling me home!".

After I started there, first thing I did was NOT getting a haircut for the next 6 years. :D


Having said all that, sorry to hear you had to go through that.
I can't say I can relate.

My dad probably could though. I wasn't aware of it when I was a kid. Now I know a couple of the stories of the sh!t he had to put with at work. I felt bad knowing how I used to give him a hard time after he came home from work. At the time I just figured he was simply an ill tempered man who's always angry.

Instead, off course.... He was just upset of all the nastyness he had to deal with day in, day out.

I at least had an education - which always opens doors. He didn't. He's a first generation immigrant. He did not have a fun time.
 
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