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In this day and age does proselytizing still work?

Windwalker

Windwalker

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John1.12 said:
Matthew 7 is about ' false prophet s ' the fruits are not what they are ' doing ' ," Lord ,Lord , didnt we do ...." No its what they taught .
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False. Fruits are the produce of what they do. They claim goodness and light, yet they create misery and death. Fruits are the result of what they do, and who they are. Don't listen to what they claim, look at what follows behind them. That's how you discern who is speaking truth or not.
 
oldbadger

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
John1.12 said:
I estimate based on what the bible says . No one be saved in any other religion ,because of that religion . But they could be saved inspite of it .
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Nah......! .....what Apostles John and Paul say......

Trouble is, that more aggressive and malignant (imo) forms of Christianity actually believe that all other Creeds and Religions.... all Humans..... are not only not saved, but walking with Satan, wicked, and this can lead these Christians to very bad thoughts, words and deeds. They focus upon the returning Jesus with sword flicking from his mouth, and/or the Jesus who wanted his disciples to buy swords........ no love there at all. After all, only they are with God, they think.

IMO It's no good......
 
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Fallen Prophet

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Vinayaka said:
Let's assume that the goal of proselytizing is to gain converts. I think it's clear, because of religious growth statistics from the past, that at one time it did work. But in 2021 do you think it still does? So the 2 choices in the debate are simple : Yes it works, or No, it doesn't, and then give your reasons. Of course the third option of 'I don't know' is always available.

I have a couple of observations. At a lot of the ex-________ discussion groups, one of the most common reasons for leaving is the pressure to proselytize, or just exposure to excessive proselytizing. So there's a statistic hidden there somewhere for net loss. Proselytizing also works in some places, I would assume. So which is greater, net loss, or net gain?

The second observation is from the state of Kerala in India, where Christian proselytizing in a heavy way has been going on for about 200 years. As a result, Kerala has one of the largest Christian groups in India. There are smaller states with higher percentages, but Kerala and it's neighbour, TN lead the way in sheer numbers.
The state government now keeps track of changes. Interestingly, in 2020, the highest number of conversions was the Christian to Hindu subsect. (for the first time in history)This wasn't due to proselytising, but due to peoples own volitions, and more or less deconversion, or going back to roots.

Thoughts? (I have more as well.)
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I believe proselytization works - but only when people are humble and sincere - which most are not today.
 
Windwalker

Windwalker

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Fallen Prophet said:
I believe proselytization works - but only when people are humble and sincere - which most are not today.
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Do you think that those who come to you believing they alone have the truth for all mankind that you need to agree with if you don't want to be left behind when the rapture comes to take them all away, are humble and sincere? While one may argue they are sincere, they'd be hard pressed to claim that's humble.

Or are you saying that if the person listening is humble and sincere, that they will listen to the person who is trying to sell them on their religion? That I certainly would not agree with.
 
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Fallen Prophet

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Windwalker said:
Do you think that those who come to you believing they alone have the truth for all mankind that you need to agree with if you don't want to be left behind when the rapture comes to take them all away, are humble and sincere? While one may argue they are sincere, they'd be hard pressed to claim that's humble.

Or are you saying that if the person listening is humble and sincere, that they will listen to the person who is trying to sell them on their religion? That I certainly would not agree with.
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Only humble and sincere people can discover the truth. Either those proselytizing or those being proselytized.

There is no Biblical basis for the "Rapture" doctrine and the Lord Jesus Christ was clear that people of other faiths are capable of having truth.
 
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