Putin: I Am Against Mandatory Vaccination And It Should Not Be Introduced In Russia

Twilight Hue said:

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lol! This guy's youtube bass videos are hilarious!

Twilight Hue said:

Many are rude, nasty, self serving , sociopathic, narcissist, and arguably psychopathic individuals.

Why should anyone be expected nor want to even care one way or another about others?

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Haven't you ever wondered why people who are kind and helpful to others often have a very optimistic, humanistic view of the world and its society?

I'm sure there is a misprint here:

Vladimir Putin says Biden ‘radically different’ after impulsive Trump

How perceptive of him .. but which normal person isn't .. and shouldn't that be 'repulsive' rather than 'impulsive'

Putin has openly admitted that in the 2016 vote he supported Trump, who voiced admiration for the Russian leader and notoriously at their first summit appeared to accept his denials of election interference.

Yes, we did notice .. but it seems the American people - those who voted for Trump at least - just ignored all this.

Putin was asked about several Russian dissidents whose deaths have been blamed on Moscow, including the ex-KGB spy Alexander Litvinenko who was poisoned in 2006. Putin dismissed the question and said some of those responsible for the deaths had gone to prison.

Well that's no surprise, just as for the Novichok incident, and where no doubt those caught out in this piece of nastiness were punished (i.e. slapped wrist). One has to wonder if Americans would see things differently if these incidents happened in the USA. Like Trump, Putin is another one to suspect as to lying about virtually anything when he opens his mouth.

metis said:

And based on what we know, getting the vaccine is being responsible.

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So, do you really think that you, @metis, are able to decide what is being responsible, for me, @stvdv?.

You must be God to know such a thing. I rather let people decide for themselves. I know what is best for myself only

Kooky said:

Haven't you ever wondered why people who are kind and helpful to others often have a very optimistic, humanistic view of the world and its society?

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It's great when they do, but it can also be delusional if it gets too extreme.

Twilight Hue said:

It is, but there still reason for some to be cautious in taking something that hasn't been approved fully.

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At first, to be sure, but we now have enough data to know that any negative effects are temporary and can be treated effectively, and no one has yet died from any of the vaccines. OTOH, the number of those whom have lived, even though we cannot really come up with a number, is believed to be substantial.

As I told our "kids" and grandkids, go with the science, the stats, and common sense, thus put the odds in your favor.

Twilight Hue said:

It's great when they do, but it can also be delusional if it gets too extreme.

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Of course it's "great when they do". It's the best of both worlds - we get to enjoy their help and support, and we get to exploit them by not doing anything in return, and with the cherry on top that we get to feel superior over them for being so "delusional" as to assume reciprocity when we could rather just exploit their good nature. Right?

stvdv said:

So, do you really think that you, @metis, are able to decide what is being responsible, for me, @stvdv?.
You must be God to know such a thing. I rather let people decide for themselves. I know what is best for myself only

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See my post above. And it appears that you are unaware of the fact that so many of our laws are built on trying to make people more responsible.

So, if I go 70 in your neighborhood where children are playing, but the speed limit is only 25, and an officer stops me, am I going to tell him to "Let me decide for myself how fast I want to go!". Do you think the officer will likely say "OK, I know that you know what's best for yourself, so there's no problem here."?

If one is a hermit, what you say makes sense; but in a society one should realize that the wellbeing of others also is important. Do I have the right to go buy an AR-15 and decide to use people for target practice because I want only "what is best for myself"?

Yes, we need some individual rights but also some responsibilities as well towards others. We know the vaccines save lives, so are other people's lives important to you at all or do you think that only yours is important?

metis said:

And it appears that you are unaware of the fact that so many of our laws are built on trying to make people more responsible.

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I am very well aware, as is Putin.

You make people responsible by giving them responsibility. And that is exactly what Putin was doing.

metis said:

So, if I go 70 in your neighborhood where children are playing, but the speed limit is only 25, and an officer stops me, am I going to tell him to "Let me decide for myself how fast I want to go!". Do you think the officer will likely say "OK, I know that you know what's best for yourself, so there's no problem here."?

If one is a hermit, what you say makes sense; but in a society one should realize that the wellbeing of others also is important. Do I have the right to go buy an AR-15 and decide to use people for target practice because I want only "what is best for myself"?

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You seem to have much lower standards than I have when I speak about "what is best for myself", such things you mention do not even enter my mind

stvdv said:

I am very well aware, as is Putin.

You make people responsible by giving them responsibility. And that is exactly what Putin was doing.

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Putin's behavior show that his words don't match his actions, including how he treats the opposition. You might be into him as much as Trump is, but he's definitely not my cup of tea.

stvdv said:

You seem to have much lower standards than I have when I speak about "what is best for myself", such things you mention do not even enter my mind

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That's quite a non-sequitur.

Kooky said:

Of course it's "great when they do". It's the best of both worlds - we get to enjoy their help and support, and we get to exploit them by not doing anything in return, and with the cherry on top that we get to feel superior over them for being so "delusional" as to assume reciprocity when we could rather just exploit their good nature. Right?

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No. It's just staying realistic with recognizing how people are usually treated by strangers in general, and the desire to help out people who have no interest nor desires themselves to reciprocate in kind.

Trying to 'guilt' others into doing something doesn't always have the intended result, because a fair number don't have, or feel any real reason as to why they would even want to bother to help out the multitudes of rude, nasty, and indifferent strangers that surround them.

I think most people feel that way, givin how so many point out and comment on how crummy and awful society is.

Therefore help as I see it must start at the individual level. Firstly with people they know and like. Not at a societal level with anonymous strangers. When something works well enough, it will come around for a greater demographic more naturally, albiet more slowly, and expand that way for society overall at the end.

Revoltingest said:

I'm really hoping that wasn't sarchasm!

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No, that was honest.

metis said:

"No man [or woman] is an island", thus those whom actually care about the wellbeing of others will get the vaccine of one type or another.

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Those who care about the wellbeing of others should be regularly donating blood and bone marrow, too. Maybe more people would if they got free donuts, pizza or bonuses at work or couldn’t fly or go to concerts unless they donated blood a certain number of times a year. Diabetes is a major killer of Americans, so it may be necessary to ban sugar, especially curtail the huge amount of sugary, corn syrup laden soda people consume. I’m sure there are a number of ways people could be pressured or made to feel guilty so they stop drinking or buying soda for the sake of their own wellbeing and that of their family and friends they serve soda to; actually destroying health. There are more healthful alternatives.

InChrist said:

Those who care about the wellbeing of others should be regularly donating blood and bone marrow, too. Maybe more people would if they got free donuts, pizza or bonuses at work or couldn’t fly or go to concerts unless they donated blood a certain number of times a year. Diabetes is a major killer of Americans, so it may be necessary to ban sugar, especially curtail the huge amount of sugary, corn syrup laden soda people consume. I’m sure there are a number of ways people could be pressured or made to feel guilty so they stop drinking or buying soda for the sake of their own wellbeing and that of their family and friends they serve soda to; actually destroying health. There are more healthful alternatives.

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One should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time, thus the vaccine does not negate the importance of helping others in other ways and, hopefully, trying to be healthy ourselves. OTOH, people who tend to be self-centered are not as apt to get the vaccine since others don't tend to make much a difference to them or they just haven't thought things through.

InChrist said:

Those who care about the wellbeing of others should be regularly donating blood and bone marrow, too. Maybe more people would if they got free donuts, pizza or bonuses at work or couldn’t fly or go to concerts unless they donated blood a certain number of times a year. Diabetes is a major killer of Americans, so it may be necessary to ban sugar, especially curtail the huge amount of sugary, corn syrup laden soda people consume. I’m sure there are a number of ways people could be pressured or made to feel guilty so they stop drinking or buying soda for the sake of their own wellbeing and that of their family and friends they serve soda to; actually destroying health. There are more healthful alternatives.

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I've donated blood regularly before I was diagnosed with diabetes. And as somebody who has directly suffered from an overambundance of sugar in their diet while being ignorant of its dangers, I would absolutely support regulations to limit sugar in the regular foodstuff that normal people eat.

Aštra’el said:

I am a thousand times more likely to take the advice of President Putin, than that of Anthony Fauci, Patron Saint of Wuhan.

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How is Fauci linked to Wuhan? What did I miss?