It seems you know God
I wish, if possible, you tell me what you know about God. Thank you.
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Jesus based on earlier deities?
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It seems you know God
I wish, if possible, you tell me what you know about God. Thank you.
I'm looking for an informed and authoritative website that explains the similarities between Jesus and other figures, such as Mithras and Horus. Does anyone have any links they could please share? Perhaps there's a YouTube video that explains the notion? I'm having trouble finding stuff
And whilst we're here could we have a discussion about this? Is Jesus really based on earlier deities?
I don't know. It's a genuine question
Here's a pic to get things going:
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Those comparisons to Krishna are for me like waving a cape in front of a bull. The are patently false. I don't know why people keep pushing it. For every comparison point, I'll refute it with the truth. That's if I don't hurt myself first because it makes me so crazy.
No wait... I do know why... it's a lame attempt by some writers to make all religions and all deities one and the same just with different names. That's stretching the Rig Veda verse to the point it's going to snap back and knock the authors' dentures out. I'd pay real money to see that.
With that out of my system, it's not directed at you. I know you didn't create it.
firedragon
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I'm looking for an informed and authoritative website that explains the similarities between Jesus and other figures, such as Mithras and Horus. Does anyone have any links they could please share? Perhaps there's a YouTube video that explains the notion? I'm having trouble finding stuff
And whilst we're here could we have a discussion about this? Is Jesus really based on earlier deities?
I don't know. It's a genuine question
Here's a pic to get things going:
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What you have depicted is a modern day Jesus. And the parallels maybe uncanny.
But the real Jesus is a big question. Probably, taking a naturalistic approach, he was a Jewish preacher preaching Judaism for Jews, and was a Messiah claimant which would have been immediately noted as sedition by the Roman occupation, whilst it was Pilate running the show there being him he would have looked for blood. This is "Probable" not certain.
People may have started their over reverence later and through the centuries built a Jesus that you have portrayed in your OP.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
If you are a human theist scientist yourself?
An everyday human thinking not a scientist by self statement?
One status self reflective to the other.
Both wrong as you both believe just as humans.
A human any human by definition I am intelligently discussing humans is only ever a human.
Ignored.
So a human looking at stories questions your mentality.
If you quote I am talking about how a human life was changed. The events what changed the life are not owned by the human.
Ignored as common sense shared by the common human as correct human sense. What is common.
An everyday human thinking not a scientist by self statement?
One status self reflective to the other.
Both wrong as you both believe just as humans.
A human any human by definition I am intelligently discussing humans is only ever a human.
Ignored.
So a human looking at stories questions your mentality.
If you quote I am talking about how a human life was changed. The events what changed the life are not owned by the human.
Ignored as common sense shared by the common human as correct human sense. What is common.
PruePhillip
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I'm looking for an informed and authoritative website that explains the similarities between Jesus and other figures, such as Mithras and Horus. Does anyone have any links they could please share? Perhaps there's a YouTube video that explains the notion? I'm having trouble finding stuff
And whilst we're here could we have a discussion about this? Is Jesus really based on earlier deities?
I don't know. It's a genuine question
Here's a pic to get things going:
You can find similarities with existing pagan gods and Jesus largely because
there's SO MANY RELIGIONS.
A better idea would be to compare Jesus with the Jewish Redeemer Messiah
of the Old Testament.
... born of a woman in a special way; rejected of his own brothers and sisters,
despised by his own people, healer of the sick, raiser of the dead, bringer of
the good news, betrayed, tried, crucified, resurrected, his disfigured image
an astonishment to the kings of the world. one whom the Gentiles believe -
until the Gentiles time is finished. One who's death would see the end of the
temple, Jerusalem and the Jewish people for a long long time.
Thank you to let me hear of a Jesus who is totally different from the one I know.
Mine is surely not a Jew preaching Judaism anytime he says, before Jews, something like: You were told... but I tell you...
Mine cannot be presented as being a rebel in any way. A real rebel, in the material world, won't teach: "Love your enemies... etc." and won't reply when asked: "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's."
Anyway, thank you for letting me know that there are indeed more than one Jesus on the world's table. So I guess I was lucky for knowing the one who suits my spiritual nature fully, not my worldly one (of the mortal living flesh which is pre-programmed to follow instructions embedded in its living cells for its survival, known as instincts, as all other living things on the planet are).
Cheers
firedragon
Veteran Member
In his second coming, he will command "those who dont accept me as king, bring them here and kill them in front of me".
And that too is said in the Bible.
Nevertheless, what I said was, taking a naturalistic approach. A historical approach. I already said that. I hope you understand.
Sorry, if I gave you the impression that, to me in the least, you were wrong in anything you said.
By the way, did Jesus, in person, say what you mentioned above?! Thank you.
Have tried a Google search? The internet is a ready source of such worthless nonsense.
Colt
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This Iranian guy argues that Jesus deliberately patterned elements of his life after themes that were already familiar to Gentile religions so that his message would be more acceptable when the apostles went out into the world. It covers many different religious traditions in the middle east.I'm looking for an informed and authoritative website that explains the similarities between Jesus and other figures, such as Mithras and Horus. Does anyone have any links they could please share? Perhaps there's a YouTube video that explains the notion? I'm having trouble finding stuff
And whilst we're here could we have a discussion about this? Is Jesus really based on earlier deities?
I don't know. It's a genuine question
Here's a pic to get things going:
View attachment 51371
Do you think Zoroastrianism influenced Judaism?I'm looking for an informed and authoritative website that explains the similarities between Jesus and other figures, such as Mithras and Horus. Does anyone have any links they could please share? Perhaps there's a YouTube video that explains the notion? I'm having trouble finding stuff
And whilst we're here could we have a discussion about this? Is Jesus really based on earlier deities?
I don't know. It's a genuine question
Here's a pic to get things going:
View attachment 51371
Link: Though the Jewish religion predated the Zoroastrian religion, the link (above) claims that some concepts were shared. They claim that Essenes (from the Jewish bible) had a lot of influence from the Zoroastrian religion, as shown by the Dead Sea scrolls.
Colt
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I know what the Bible tells about God, and for example according to it:
God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.
John 4:24
He who doesn't love doesn't know God, for God is love.
1 John 4:8
We know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and he who remains in love remains in God, and God remains in him.
1 John 4:16
Good reply; it seems, if I understood you well, that you agree that God is love.
Sorry, but did you ask yourself how one can be love or, speaking practically, how love can be lived?
Thank you.
The stories of Jesus is very similar to the God Dionysius, in fact I suspect the people who made up Christianity said that Jesus turned water into wine and rose from the dead to appeal to pagans. I wouldn't be surprised, since many of the rituals performed by the Greek Orthodox Church was copied from pagans.
Fallen Prophet
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I believe that Adam and Eve were first taught about the details about the eventual coming of the Lord Jesus Christ - but as time went on many of their descendants fell away from that truth - so we have all these different version of what Adam and Eve had been taught all throughout the world.I'm looking for an informed and authoritative website that explains the similarities between Jesus and other figures, such as Mithras and Horus. Does anyone have any links they could please share? Perhaps there's a YouTube video that explains the notion? I'm having trouble finding stuff
And whilst we're here could we have a discussion about this? Is Jesus really based on earlier deities?
I don't know. It's a genuine question
Here's a pic to get things going:
View attachment 51371
I wonder which language was used to teach Adam and Eve.
I also try to imagine how Eve knew how to communicate with Adam when she met him for the first time.
As parents teach their little kids using appropriate fairy tales first, God also addressed some of our ancient ancestors when humans were rather primitive (kids of humanity) using symbolic tales. And when kids become adults they don't call their parents liars when they found out that their fairy tales were not about real stories.
Who has ears will hear.
Fallen Prophet
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I don't know - but it was the first language - the language spoken by God - which was later perverted at the Tower.
The Genesis account claims that God spoke with Adam - taught him various things - and that Adam spoke to Him.
The Genesis record claims that she spoke to Adam, the serpent and to God.
Although - interestingly - the record claims that when Adam and Eve first met - it was Adam that spoke to Eve - not her to him.
The Genesis account does not record Eve speaking up until the incident with the serpent.
So - it is possible - considering the Patriarchal order of the record - that God taught Adam how to speak - and then Adam taught Eve how to speak.
Or who knows? Perhaps they both were formed with the ability. Adam from the dust and Eve from Adam.
The ancient Israelites claimed that they traced their ancestry back to Adam and Eve and there are New Testament writers who reference them as if they were real people whose decisions affected the world.
I see no reason to assume that their story is a mere fairy tale.
Sure they would - and when can you "found out" something with no evidence?
Learning that there was no literal Fall of Man to explain why we had a need for a literal Redemption should be very upsetting to any Christian.
Only what they want to hear - sadly.
Thank you. I agree with the Bible, but it is possible that I don’t understand it fully.
I have understood spirit is like attitude. For example, team spirit is like attitude that makes team work together better. When it is said love is a spirit, I think it means similar thing. Love is caring attitude that makes person do good things to others, without asking reward. But, because Bible tells also that God is the creator, it means the love that Bible speaks of is much more than just feeling/emotion/attitude in humans mind. To know Bible God well, I think it is good to know all that Bible tells about the matter. And even after that, it is possible that human doesn’t know fully. Luckily, I don’t think it is absolutely necessary at this point. I think it is enough to know that the will of God is that we love others as ourselves and understand that it is good. That is enough.