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President Bide just announced a plan to purchase half a billion dose of Pfizer vaccine to donate

Suave

Simulated character
And data is not used that way. You are using raw numbers. Correlation is not necessarily causation. Especially when it comes to medical matters. A deeper look into into the issue is required.
Of course, I'd like a double blind clinical controlled study (edit) **to be done before reaching any definite conclusions.**
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
"With individuals who develop myocarditis, the first year is difficult as a collection of cases have shown there is a 20% mortality rate. One rare instance of myocarditis is viral fulminant myocarditis; fulminant myocarditis involves rapid onset cardiac inflammation and a mortality rate of 40-70%.,"

Myocarditis - Wikipedia.
But these people merely suffered from an inflamed heart. They did not necessarily have myocarditis. In fact that is only of three major causes of an inflamed heart which indicates that there are even other causes:

There are three main types of heart inflammation: endocarditis, myocarditis, and pericarditis. Endocarditis is inflammation of the inner lining of the heart’s chambers and valves. Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle. Pericarditis is inflammation of the tissue that forms a sac around the heart. Many things cause heart inflammation. Common causes include viral or bacterial infections and medical conditions that damage the heart and cause inflammation.

Heart Inflammation | NHLBI, NIH
 

Suave

Simulated character
But these people merely suffered from an inflamed heart. They did not necessarily have myocarditis. In fact that is only of three major causes of an inflamed heart which indicates that there are even other causes:

There are three main types of heart inflammation: endocarditis, myocarditis, and pericarditis. Endocarditis is inflammation of the inner lining of the heart’s chambers and valves. Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle. Pericarditis is inflammation of the tissue that forms a sac around the heart. Many things cause heart inflammation. Common causes include viral or bacterial infections and medical conditions that damage the heart and cause inflammation.

Heart Inflammation | NHLBI, NIH

Yes, of course, I was just pointing out myocarditis to a poster who I considered as having downplayed the risks of any or all heart inflammation conditions.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
Yes, of course, I was just pointing out myocarditis to a poster who I considered as having downplayed the risks of any or all heart inflammation conditions.
no, you said that the risk of dying from heart inflammation was greater than the risk of dying from Covid unvaccinated for young adults, that's just flat out wrong and the CDC said nothing of the sort.
 

Suave

Simulated character
no, you said that the risk of dying from heart inflammation was greater than the risk of dying from Covid unvaccinated for young adults, that's just flat out wrong and the CDC said nothing of the sort.
Please reread what I have written, perhaps you will then find me having stated that " the chance of young adults getting heart inflammation by mRNA C.O.V.I.D-19 vaccination may be greater than the risk of them dying by C.O.V.I.D.-19 , I have never made any claims in regards to the risk of them dying by heart inflammation in comparison to the risk of them dying by C.O.V.I.D.-19.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
Please reread what I have written, perhaps you will then find me having stated that " the chance of young adults getting heart inflammation by mRNA C.O.V.I.D-19 vaccination may be greater than the risk of them dying by C.O.V.I.D.-19 , I have never made any claims in regards to the risk of them dying by heart inflammation in comparison to the risk of them dying by C.O.V.I.D.-19.
That is not supported by the CDC either
 

Stevicus

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Staff member
Premium Member
G7 to donate 1 billion COVID-19 vaccine doses to poorer countries (msn.com)

CARBIS BAY, England, June 10 (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Boris Johnson expects the Group of Seven to agree to donate 1 billion COVID-19 vaccine doses to poorer countries during its summit starting on Friday, and help innoculate the world by the end of next year.

Just hours after U.S. President Joe Biden vowed to supercharge the battle against the coronavirus with a donation of 500 million Pfizer shots, Johnson said Britain would give at least 100 million surplus vaccines to the poorest nations.

Johnson has already called on G7 leaders to commit to vaccinate the entire world by the end of 2022 and the group is expected to pledge 1 billion doses during its three-day summit in the English seaside resort of Carbis Bay.

Some campaign groups condemned the plan as a drop in the ocean, with Oxfam estimating that nearly 4 billion people will depend on COVAX for vaccines, the program that distributes COVID-19 shots to low and middle income countries.

"As a result of the success of the UK's vaccine program we are now in a position to share some of our surplus doses with those who need them," Johnson will say on Friday, according to excerpts of the announcement released by his office.

"In doing so we will take a massive step towards beating this pandemic for good."

COVID-19 has killed around 3.9 million people and ripped through the global economy, with infections reported in more than 210 countries and territories since the first cases were identified in China in December 2019.

While scientists have brought vaccines to market at breakneck speeds - Britain has given a first dose to 77% of its adult population and the United States 64% - they say the pandemic will only end once all countries have been vaccinated.

With a global population nearing 8 billion and most people needing two doses, if not booster shots to tackle variants as well, campaigners said the commitments marked a start but world leaders needed to go much further, and much faster.

"The G7's aim to provide 1 billion doses should be seen as an absolute minimum, and the timeframe needs to speed up," said Lis Wallace at anti-poverty campaign group ONE.

"We're in a race with this virus and the longer it's in the lead the greater the risk of new, more dangerous variants undermining global progress."

Of the 100 million British shots, 80 million will go to the COVAX program led by the World Health Organization (WHO) and the rest will be shared bilaterally with countries in need.

Johnson echoed Biden in calling on his fellow leaders to make similar pledges and for pharmaceutical companies to adopt the Oxford-AstraZeneca model of providing vaccines at cost for the duration of the pandemic.

Leaving poorer countries to deal with the pandemic alone risks allowing the virus to further mutate and evade vaccines. Charities have also said that logistical support will be needed to help administer large numbers of vaccines in poorer countries.

The British doses will be drawn from the stock it has already procured for its domestic program, and will come from suppliers Oxford-AstraZeneca, Pfizer-BioNTech, Janssen, Moderna and others.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
The higher than expected amount of heart inflammation cases among mRNA C.O.V.I.D-19 vaccinated young adults does indeed merit further investigations.
well that is about the only thing you have said that I can agree with!
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
No links. I heard it live. I am sure that some will be available soon. Since we need to fight this on a global basis the US appears to be the first to step up.

It's not 'the first', but it's the first I've heard of that would make any meaningful impact in a larger sense. This will make a real difference.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
That conclusion cannot be drawn yet. Once again the cause of the heart inflammation may be unrelated.

Think of it this way, you get an injection and here weird stuff about it. As a result you are extra sensitive about your health. Your heart feels weird so you go to a doctor and it is found to be inflamed. Please note, this was so mild only a few required hospitalization. If you had the same symptoms without the vaccine you may have just thought that it was just a case of heartburn and ignored it.

How would this vaccine even produce such a reaction? It seems to be more likely to be due to hyper-awareness than an actual to be caused by the vaccine to me.

How would this vaccine produce clots, death, alergies, etc.

Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination

Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare. If this occurs, vaccination providers can effectively and immediately treat the reaction.

CDC and FDA scientists have evaluated reports from people who experienced a type of severe allergic reaction—anaphylaxis—after getting a COVID-19 vaccine. Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States based on events reported to VAERS. This kind of allergic reaction almost always occurs within 30 minutes after vaccination. After you get a COVID-19 vaccine, you will be asked to stay for 15–30 minutes, so you can be observed in case you have a severe allergic reaction and provided treatment in the rare case it is needed. Fortunately, vaccination providers have medicines available to effectively and immediately treat patients who experience anaphylaxis following vaccination. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and allergic reactions.

Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) after J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination
Safety monitoring of the J&J/Janssen vaccine suggests a rare risk of a serious adverse event called “thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome” (TTS), which involves blood clots with low platelets. Platelets are a type of blood cell that help blood clot.

  • A review of available data shows that the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine’s known and potential benefits outweigh its known and potential risks.
  • Nearly all reports of this serious condition have been in adult women younger than 50 years old.
  • CDC and FDA recommend use of the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine resume in the United States after a temporary pause.
  • Women younger than 50 years old especially should be aware of the rare but increased risk of this adverse event. There are other COVID-19 vaccine options available for which this risk has not been seen.
As of May 24, 2021, more than 10.2 million doses of the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine have been given in the United States. Through continuous safety monitoring, CDC and FDA identified 32 confirmed reports of people who got the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and later developed TTS.

For all women, this is a rare adverse event. For women 50 years and older and men of all ages, this adverse event is even more rare.

The review of TTS reports and all available data at this time shows that the known and potential benefits of the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine outweigh its known and potential risks for those recommended to receive it. However, women younger than 50 years old especially should be aware of the rare but increased risk of TTS. There are other COVID-19 vaccine options available for which this risk has not been seen. Learn more about J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and blood clots with low platelets.

Myocarditis after COVID-19 vaccination
CDC and its partners are monitoring reports of myocarditis and pericarditis in adolescents and young adults after COVID-19 vaccination. We continue to recommend COVID-19 vaccination for individuals 12 years of age and older.

In April and May of 2021, there have been increased reports to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) of cases of inflammation of the heart—called myocarditis and pericarditis—happening after COVID-19 vaccination in the United States. These cases have been reported after vaccination with the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines and have mostly been reported in adolescents and young adults.

CDC and its partners are actively monitoring these reports, by reviewing data and medical records, to learn more about what happened and to see if there is any relationship to COVID-19 vaccination. More information will be shared as it becomes available.

Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination
CDC uses the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) to closely monitor reports of death following COVID-19 vaccination.

  • FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS.
  • Reports to VAERS of death following vaccination do not necessarily mean the vaccine caused the death.
  • CDC follows up on any report of death to request additional information to learn more about what occurred and to determine whether the death was a result of the vaccine or was unrelated.
  • CDC, FDA, and other federal agencies will continue to monitor the safety of COVID-19 vaccines.
Over 285 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through May 24, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 4,863 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths. Get the latest safety information on the J&J/Janssen vaccine. CDC and FDA will continue to investigate reports of adverse events, including deaths, reported to VAERS.

COVID-19 Vaccination
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
How would this vaccine produce clots, death, alergies, etc.

Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination

Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare. If this occurs, vaccination providers can effectively and immediately treat the reaction.

CDC and FDA scientists have evaluated reports from people who experienced a type of severe allergic reaction—anaphylaxis—after getting a COVID-19 vaccine. Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States based on events reported to VAERS. This kind of allergic reaction almost always occurs within 30 minutes after vaccination. After you get a COVID-19 vaccine, you will be asked to stay for 15–30 minutes, so you can be observed in case you have a severe allergic reaction and provided treatment in the rare case it is needed. Fortunately, vaccination providers have medicines available to effectively and immediately treat patients who experience anaphylaxis following vaccination. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and allergic reactions.

Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) after J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination
Safety monitoring of the J&J/Janssen vaccine suggests a rare risk of a serious adverse event called “thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome” (TTS), which involves blood clots with low platelets. Platelets are a type of blood cell that help blood clot.

  • A review of available data shows that the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine’s known and potential benefits outweigh its known and potential risks.
  • Nearly all reports of this serious condition have been in adult women younger than 50 years old.
  • CDC and FDA recommend use of the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine resume in the United States after a temporary pause.
  • Women younger than 50 years old especially should be aware of the rare but increased risk of this adverse event. There are other COVID-19 vaccine options available for which this risk has not been seen.
As of May 24, 2021, more than 10.2 million doses of the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine have been given in the United States. Through continuous safety monitoring, CDC and FDA identified 32 confirmed reports of people who got the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and later developed TTS.

For all women, this is a rare adverse event. For women 50 years and older and men of all ages, this adverse event is even more rare.

The review of TTS reports and all available data at this time shows that the known and potential benefits of the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine outweigh its known and potential risks for those recommended to receive it. However, women younger than 50 years old especially should be aware of the rare but increased risk of TTS. There are other COVID-19 vaccine options available for which this risk has not been seen. Learn more about J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and blood clots with low platelets.

Myocarditis after COVID-19 vaccination
CDC and its partners are monitoring reports of myocarditis and pericarditis in adolescents and young adults after COVID-19 vaccination. We continue to recommend COVID-19 vaccination for individuals 12 years of age and older.

In April and May of 2021, there have been increased reports to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) of cases of inflammation of the heart—called myocarditis and pericarditis—happening after COVID-19 vaccination in the United States. These cases have been reported after vaccination with the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines and have mostly been reported in adolescents and young adults.

CDC and its partners are actively monitoring these reports, by reviewing data and medical records, to learn more about what happened and to see if there is any relationship to COVID-19 vaccination. More information will be shared as it becomes available.

Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination
CDC uses the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) to closely monitor reports of death following COVID-19 vaccination.

  • FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS.
  • Reports to VAERS of death following vaccination do not necessarily mean the vaccine caused the death.
  • CDC follows up on any report of death to request additional information to learn more about what occurred and to determine whether the death was a result of the vaccine or was unrelated.
  • CDC, FDA, and other federal agencies will continue to monitor the safety of COVID-19 vaccines.
Over 285 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through May 24, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 4,863 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths. Get the latest safety information on the J&J/Janssen vaccine. CDC and FDA will continue to investigate reports of adverse events, including deaths, reported to VAERS.

COVID-19 Vaccination
Wow! Grasping at straws so early. Yes, the biggest risk to any vaccine appears to be anaphylaxis. After my second shot my waiting time was upped to thirty minutes. Both times I told them that I was allergic to aspirin, but their protocols seemed to have changed. What you and other anti-vaxxers are ignoring is the fact that going without the vaccine is riskier than taking it.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Wow! Grasping at straws so early. Yes, the biggest risk to any vaccine appears to be anaphylaxis. After my second shot my waiting time was upped to thirty minutes. Both times I told them that I was allergic to aspirin, but their protocols seemed to have changed. What you and other anti-vaxxers are ignoring is the fact that going without the vaccine is riskier than taking it.
:facepalm:

You asked how the vaccine could even produce heart inflammation.

I posted a link that's deals with your question along with other side effects and asked you how could the vaccine produce clots, etc.

I am not an anti-vaxxer. You need to quit the personal attacks, false accusations and stick to how did the vaccine produce heart inflammation, clots, etc.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Definitely a wise move, imo. Reminds me of the Marshall Plan, which not only helped the Europeans after WWII but also the U.S. as well.
@metis got it in one! It is not a bad thing to help yourself by helping others -- in fact, it's a great thing!

The U.S. is but a part of this planet, and the virus is everywhere on the planet. It's fine to protect your own, but as long as there are billions of others who aren't protected, well, you remain at risk, don't you? Altruism for selfish reasons seems to me to be just about the most human thing possible.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Given that the world needs 11 billion doses of vaccine to achieve 70% vaccination, 500 million is a pretty weak effort from the world's richest country.
You are quite right to try to provide some context, and I hope other members notice.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
Well at least the other members of the G7 and the EU have ponied up another 500 million doses, that leave 10 billion to go, when??
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Because young adult men may have a nearly 30 times greater chance of getting heart inflammation by a C.O.V.I.D-19 mRNA vaccine than being killed by C.O.V.I.D.-19, they might wish to reconsider having to get vaccinated at a young adult age.
Your persistent fear of this vaccine is interesting to me -- where do you suppose it comes from? The statistics, if you really pay attention, don't bear that fear out.

Heavens, crossing the street is often a means to an end -- it gets you to the bank you want to withdraw from, the restaurant you want to eat at, the hospital ER you want to save you -- but it comes with risk of getting hit by a car. And for the record, that risk is statistically very much larger than the risk from getting a vaccine -- and the payoff from getting the vaccine is really quite large.

I can tell you, I didn't hesitate for a heartbeat when I was eligible for dose 1, and today I had dose 2 and I am really glad I did. I'm 73, a little on the tubby side (not too much, but a beer belly, you know), and that puts me at serious risk from this virus. And now that I'm vaccinated, my own feeling of safety is such a relief!
 
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