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Was The Atonement FINISHED At The CROSS?

Pipiripi

End Times Prophecy.
Which one of what was there in the beginning?

Science, being what humans infer to any physical mass body presence of their observation is not the nothing. Space is the nothing, meaning owns no body, is missing of its body is a space, and is not explainable as a mass of its natural nothing form. Emptiness.

Humans using words claim emptiness means that something used to exist that is now gone, it is removed.

How the God theme was taught God O as bodies of eternal mass fell out of the eternal and burst/burnt....first law, change. Change said from a higher state into a changed state. For if the law was just burning, no form would even exist today.

The word law would equate ONE state only and complete as just that ONE state and you most certainly would not exist talking about it.

If a male in science "looking back" theme thinking about the past, says I think about the past in space. Then misquotes that theme a second time thinking the circular thinking and quotes, space is the past.

Space is right here, right now in the present, so you lied. Reason, natural awareness NEVER OWNED scientific thinking.

You therefore abstracted natural awareness into thinking, which became occult science definition to our destruction.

Actually.

Why consciousness is a spiritual teaching.

Therefore if you quote, in the past I looked as a vision of a flooded Earth up to the mountain tip with UFO mass present. The UFO mass was what had been abstracted out of the Earth as it was converting the whole time into HOLES. Removal of original SIN. How it was taught as relative to self human advice against want of self in destruction.

Flat top mountain, mass water evaporation ended that attack.

So for a male in science to reconnect Earth to its converting history was to re force its ground mass to convert.

Science today owns all information I can dig up mass, take it to my machine reactor and force it to convert. That information is how you used your Temple pyramid in the past to activate ground mass fission...to release the power UFO mass.

As the Earth had been fused with it cooling in water flooding historic past.

Which you knew.

So then you own a male confession that quotes. 12 light natural day gas burning. 12 hours of clear mass gas. Not even or equal. 12 hours is the equal.

You lit up the night time sky and increased day light gas mass burning for 7 days...and the spatial vacuum cooled and ended the attack, and left minus ONE, night time UFO gas alight burning, as proof you did it in science.

Ask science, how do you know male and human that the giant gas mass fall out Satanic fall burnt us to death, and then giant dinosaur life ruled the Earth afterwards?

Real answer, I caused it all and confessed.

So if today you ask where did the first UFO mass for science come from....out of the body of God the planet Earth stone fusion....why your claim God owns the cold radiation mass is real....because it is your own male science memory that says so. Where it first came from.

First in natural history, attack of planet Earth was from the Sun blasting. Science never owned that history. Natural did.
What is natural? Make something then destroyed it. I feel shame that natural make plants that live a 1000 years and humans maybe get 60 years old, it is better to die, because all your strength are going down. Nature is so bad to make things in existence and destroy them in second. Peoples wake up. Non of those writers was there in the beginning to tell us what they have see. Think, why 300 years ago, we have man on horses, and now we have space shuttles and satellites? 100.000 years ago wasn't no one that can make those things?
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
Go read a little more my friend. I know your believing, but you don't know mine. Only people with an open minded can understand what that I have wrote now.

No my friend, I don't believe that anyone has been able to understand your erroneous ramblings, that are not consistent with the Holy Scriptures, but I hope that you will continue to study the words of the Lord, and one day perhaps, just perhaps, you may be able to comprehend that which is recorded therein.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Psalm 69:27-28
The majority of professed Christians in the world do not understand the significance of the above verse, due to a wrong understanding of the atonement, and it is my prayer that you will seriously and prayerfully study this page and subject to find out the truth, so that instead of your name being blotted out of the book of life.

The popular teaching within the churches today says the atonement was finished at the cross and that Christ completed His atoning work for us at the Calvary
The passage you cite has nothing to do with Christian atonement. If this passage is the basis for your theological construction, that construction fails from the outset.
 
Part 1
Psalm 69:27-28
The majority of professed Christians in the world do not understand the significance of the above verse, due to a wrong understanding of the atonement, and it is my prayer that you will seriously and prayerfully study this page and subject to find out the truth, so that instead of your name being blotted out of the book of life.

The popular teaching within the churches today says the atonement was finished at the cross and that Christ completed His atoning work for us at the Calvary. Those who believe the atonement was finished at the cross, totally ignore the important shadows and types that were setup in Old Testament times, which were to be literally fulfilled in Christ.

I will show you on this page that it was impossible for the atonement to be finished at the cross. And yes, I will deal with the famous words "it is FINISHED" and also what Paul said further down the page.

What does it mean if something is a "shadow"? If you follow a shadow, will it just disappear? No. A shadow is cast by a real object and if you follow that shadow, you will come to the reality. This is what the Old Testament types and shadows were for. They were to bring us to the reality that is in Christ. They were to teach the Jews and us what Christ was going to fulfill. And this is the important point to remember. Christ was to actually fulfill the types and shadows in the Old Testament. Why do you think the Old Testament finished with the command from God to "Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded him." (Malachi 4:4)? Because the types and shadows in the law of Moses teaches us beautiful truths about what Christ was to fulfill. Let's look at the types and shadows concerning sin and making atonement for sin:

SIN OFFERING - Leviticus 4:27-35
Leviticus 4:13-20. Numbers 15:27-28.

Let's just think about this for a moment. We can clearly see above what was to happen when a person, or the whole congregation sinned. And remember, the whole congregation bore the sin of one person as shown in Joshua 7,regarding Achan and also Numbers 15:24. Now, was the above 'shadow' and 'type' to be fulfilled in Christ? Yes, no doubt. But let us look at what was involved. The sinner had to offer and slay an 'innocent' animal 'without blemish.' This clearly pointed to the fulfillment in Christ, our perfect 'lamb without blemish' who was slain for us on the cross at Calvary. Now my question is, did it end there? Was that "job done"? Did slaying the animal 'make atonement' for the sinner? No. As you can clearly see the 'shadow' and 'type' in Leviticus and Numbers above, a priest was appointed to then take that blood, transferring the sin to the sanctuary to 'make atonement' for the sinner. The sinner did not receive atonement from just the slaying of the innocent animal. The sinner received final atonement through the work of the priest - "THE PRIEST shall MAKE ATONEMENT".

Do you see this? Remember, a shadow HAS to meet it's REALITY, it does not just disappear. And how many realities are in this picture? 1 - Sacrifice offering, 2 - priest to make atonement. There are TWO realities to be fulfilled from the 'shadows' and 'types'. Christ was not just to fulfil the role of sacrifice offering. He was also to make atonement for us.
Leviticus 4:16-17
So the sin offering was made, which pointed to Christ on the cross, but there is something else that happened AFTER the sin offering was made,which we can see above. The priest was to 'mediate' for that person or congregation, taking the blood into the sanctuary to make atonement for the people. So those who stop at the cross and say Christ's work of atonement was complete are missing the important part the priest played in the 'type', which was also to meet its reality in Christ.

So those who believe the atonement was finished at the cross need to ask themselves some serious questions:

1 - The atonement was made by the priest. Who was the appointed priest at Calvary?

2 - The atonement was made in the sanctuary by the priest. Calvary was not the sanctuary.

Now Paul confirms what we are saying on this page without question in the book of Hebrews, chapter 8 and 9. Let us carefully examine what Paul says in the following verses in Hebrews: 8:1-4
Look what Paul said regarding Jesus being our High Priest. If he were on earth, He COULD NOT be our priest. This means Jesus could NOT be our priest at the same time as when He was our sacrifice on earth. The role of High Priest had to come AFTER His resurrection and ascension to heaven, because as you can also see from Hebrews above, Jesus was to be a "minister of the sanctuary" in heaven, "of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man." So Jesus was to become our High Priest after His sacrifice and return to heaven. But to do what? To fulfil the 'shadow' and 'type' as given in the old covenant - to make atonement for us. Look at Hebrews 9:
Hebrews 9:6-26
As you can see clearly above, Christ entered into the heavenly sanctuary, the TRUE tabernacle of which the earthly was a copy, there to fulfil the role of High Priest, of which the earthly priest was a 'type' of Christ mediating for the people to make atonement for them and their sins with blood. This role Christ could NOT fulfil while on earth. His role on earth was the role of 'offering' and 'sacrifice'. Only AFTER this was accomplished was Christ then able to BECOME our Mediator (1Timothy 2:5) and make atonement for our sins.

Are I am saying that the sacrifice of Christ on the cross was not the atonement? No. What I'm are saying, as the Bible clearly lays out, is that Calvary was the BEGINNING of the spotless animal in the Old Testament 'type' was the beginning of the atonement. But it was the priest who completed that atonement for sinners. Jesus dying on the cross was the beginning of His atoning work. Now He is in heaven as our High Priest FINISHING the atonement.

Look at what it says in the last verse of Hebrews 9:26 above. What does it mean where it says "in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin"? To 'put away sin' means to 'cleanse' to 'make clean', 'reconcile' 'purify', 'sanctify' - to ATONE, to make us 'at-one-ment' with God. So clearly, the atonement did not finished at the cross, it began at the cross. And Jesus is now making final atonement for us in the heavenly sanctuary as our High Priest and Mediator before the Father.

THE DAY OF ATONEMENT

This is now brings us to onto another 'type' in the covenant model, which points to the final atonement work that Christ was to fulfil. God instituted a ceremony called 'the day of atonement', which was to be performed only once a year on the tenth day of the seventh month by the High Priest alone. Let us take a look at the Bible verses concerning this ceremony:
Leviticus 16:2-30
Wow! This was an incredible ceremony and yet so many professed Christians cannot see this importance of this 'type' and 'shadow' that was to be fulfilled by Christ. We learned earlier in this page that the sins of the people were transferred onto the sacrificial animal, and then into the sanctuary by the mediation of the priest. Were the sins of the people counted as forgiven any time of the year, if by faith they offered the sacrifice and the priest made atonement for their sacrifice in the sanctuary? Yes, absolutely, the sins of the people were forgiven at any time when their offering was made and the priest made atonement for them. But their sins were NOT 'blotted out' at that time. They were still 'on record' in the sanctuary. And this is where the day of atonement came into play on the tenth day of the seventh month each year.

The day of atonement had a number of purposes. It was a type of judgment ot the people, which is why they had to "afflict their souls", and it was also for the complete removal of sins from the people and from the records in the sanctuary, which is why the 'live scape goat' received the sins and was led into the wilderness away from the sanctuary and the congregation. And this day of atonement 'type', the removal of sin, was NOT completed by Christ on the cross. No, it is now being fulfilled by Christ our High Priest in the heavenly sanctuary. So what importance does this have for us today? Let us think about some things regarding the day of atonement:

Was atonement made for the sinner who was not grieved over their sins and continued to live in self pleasure seeking and sin?

The short answer is absolutely not! As we read above in Leviticus 16, the people were to "afflict their souls" during this annual ceremony, the day of atonement. And look at what it says in Leviticus 23 concerning this:
Leviticus 23:27-29

So as we can see, those who were not afflicted during this time, those who were not grieved by their sins and sought to put them away completely, sacrificing all to the Lord, would be 'cut off' from among the people. So if Jesus is fulfilling this day of atonement 'type' in heaven, 'blotted out' our sins from the records books, to make final atonement for us, what should we be doing as His people? We should be deeply grieved over our sins and be seeking to turn away from all sin, putting them away, allowing Christ to completely cleanse us of all sin, given us complete victory over them.

This is what Christ is doing now in heaven during this 'anti-typical' day of atonement. He is not only blotting out our sins from the record books in the heavenly sanctuary, 'cleansing' the sanctuary. He is seeking to blot out sin FROM OUR LIVES, cleansing our 'body temple'. But those who continue living for this world, living in willful sin and self pleasure seeking will NOT received atonement and will be 'CUT OFF' from among God's people! Do you see the importance of this?
2Peter 3:11
The 'cleansing' of the literal fulfillment of the day of atonement began in 1844, of which the 2300 day prophecy of Daniel pointed to.

Now if Jesus made complete atonement on the cross, then all past and future sins of everyone who accepts the sacrifice of Christ has been completely atoned for already, and therefore those people are saved, no matter what they do after accepting the sacrifice of Christ. This is what 'once saves, always saved' people believe. They believe once our names are in the book of life in heaven, we cannot be lost. But the Bible teaches otherwise!
Revelation 3:5
For Jesus to say that those who 'OVERCOME' He will NOT blot out their names from the book of life, tells us that who do NOT overcome. Can you see the role of Jesus as our High Priest in Revelation 3 above? He is making final atonement for us with the Father in the most Holy place of the heavenly sanctuary, of which the earthly was a copy. And it is only those who abide by faith in Jesus, ——-PAUL SAID WE HAVE 'RECEIVED' THE ATONEMENT

how is the Passover involved?
Or the new covenant Passover in his blood?

his body is the sanctuary
Destroy this temple etc.
 

John1.12

Free gift
Part 1
Psalm 69:27-28
The majority of professed Christians in the world do not understand the significance of the above verse, due to a wrong understanding of the atonement, and it is my prayer that you will seriously and prayerfully study this page and subject to find out the truth, so that instead of your name being blotted out of the book of life.

The popular teaching within the churches today says the atonement was finished at the cross and that Christ completed His atoning work for us at the Calvary. Those who believe the atonement was finished at the cross, totally ignore the important shadows and types that were setup in Old Testament times, which were to be literally fulfilled in Christ.

I will show you on this page that it was impossible for the atonement to be finished at the cross. And yes, I will deal with the famous words "it is FINISHED" and also what Paul said further down the page.

What does it mean if something is a "shadow"? If you follow a shadow, will it just disappear? No. A shadow is cast by a real object and if you follow that shadow, you will come to the reality. This is what the Old Testament types and shadows were for. They were to bring us to the reality that is in Christ. They were to teach the Jews and us what Christ was going to fulfill. And this is the important point to remember. Christ was to actually fulfill the types and shadows in the Old Testament. Why do you think the Old Testament finished with the command from God to "Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded him." (Malachi 4:4)? Because the types and shadows in the law of Moses teaches us beautiful truths about what Christ was to fulfill. Let's look at the types and shadows concerning sin and making atonement for sin:

SIN OFFERING - Leviticus 4:27-35
Leviticus 4:13-20. Numbers 15:27-28.

Let's just think about this for a moment. We can clearly see above what was to happen when a person, or the whole congregation sinned. And remember, the whole congregation bore the sin of one person as shown in Joshua 7,regarding Achan and also Numbers 15:24. Now, was the above 'shadow' and 'type' to be fulfilled in Christ? Yes, no doubt. But let us look at what was involved. The sinner had to offer and slay an 'innocent' animal 'without blemish.' This clearly pointed to the fulfillment in Christ, our perfect 'lamb without blemish' who was slain for us on the cross at Calvary. Now my question is, did it end there? Was that "job done"? Did slaying the animal 'make atonement' for the sinner? No. As you can clearly see the 'shadow' and 'type' in Leviticus and Numbers above, a priest was appointed to then take that blood, transferring the sin to the sanctuary to 'make atonement' for the sinner. The sinner did not receive atonement from just the slaying of the innocent animal. The sinner received final atonement through the work of the priest - "THE PRIEST shall MAKE ATONEMENT".

Do you see this? Remember, a shadow HAS to meet it's REALITY, it does not just disappear. And how many realities are in this picture? 1 - Sacrifice offering, 2 - priest to make atonement. There are TWO realities to be fulfilled from the 'shadows' and 'types'. Christ was not just to fulfil the role of sacrifice offering. He was also to make atonement for us.
Leviticus 4:16-17
So the sin offering was made, which pointed to Christ on the cross, but there is something else that happened AFTER the sin offering was made,which we can see above. The priest was to 'mediate' for that person or congregation, taking the blood into the sanctuary to make atonement for the people. So those who stop at the cross and say Christ's work of atonement was complete are missing the important part the priest played in the 'type', which was also to meet its reality in Christ.

So those who believe the atonement was finished at the cross need to ask themselves some serious questions:

1 - The atonement was made by the priest. Who was the appointed priest at Calvary?

2 - The atonement was made in the sanctuary by the priest. Calvary was not the sanctuary.

Now Paul confirms what we are saying on this page without question in the book of Hebrews, chapter 8 and 9. Let us carefully examine what Paul says in the following verses in Hebrews: 8:1-4
Look what Paul said regarding Jesus being our High Priest. If he were on earth, He COULD NOT be our priest. This means Jesus could NOT be our priest at the same time as when He was our sacrifice on earth. The role of High Priest had to come AFTER His resurrection and ascension to heaven, because as you can also see from Hebrews above, Jesus was to be a "minister of the sanctuary" in heaven, "of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man." So Jesus was to become our High Priest after His sacrifice and return to heaven. But to do what? To fulfil the 'shadow' and 'type' as given in the old covenant - to make atonement for us. Look at Hebrews 9:
Hebrews 9:6-26
As you can see clearly above, Christ entered into the heavenly sanctuary, the TRUE tabernacle of which the earthly was a copy, there to fulfil the role of High Priest, of which the earthly priest was a 'type' of Christ mediating for the people to make atonement for them and their sins with blood. This role Christ could NOT fulfil while on earth. His role on earth was the role of 'offering' and 'sacrifice'. Only AFTER this was accomplished was Christ then able to BECOME our Mediator (1Timothy 2:5) and make atonement for our sins.

Are I am saying that the sacrifice of Christ on the cross was not the atonement? No. What I'm are saying, as the Bible clearly lays out, is that Calvary was the BEGINNING of the spotless animal in the Old Testament 'type' was the beginning of the atonement. But it was the priest who completed that atonement for sinners. Jesus dying on the cross was the beginning of His atoning work. Now He is in heaven as our High Priest FINISHING the atonement.

Look at what it says in the last verse of Hebrews 9:26 above. What does it mean where it says "in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin"? To 'put away sin' means to 'cleanse' to 'make clean', 'reconcile' 'purify', 'sanctify' - to ATONE, to make us 'at-one-ment' with God. So clearly, the atonement did not finished at the cross, it began at the cross. And Jesus is now making final atonement for us in the heavenly sanctuary as our High Priest and Mediator before the Father.

THE DAY OF ATONEMENT

This is now brings us to onto another 'type' in the covenant model, which points to the final atonement work that Christ was to fulfil. God instituted a ceremony called 'the day of atonement', which was to be performed only once a year on the tenth day of the seventh month by the High Priest alone. Let us take a look at the Bible verses concerning this ceremony:
Leviticus 16:2-30
Wow! This was an incredible ceremony and yet so many professed Christians cannot see this importance of this 'type' and 'shadow' that was to be fulfilled by Christ. We learned earlier in this page that the sins of the people were transferred onto the sacrificial animal, and then into the sanctuary by the mediation of the priest. Were the sins of the people counted as forgiven any time of the year, if by faith they offered the sacrifice and the priest made atonement for their sacrifice in the sanctuary? Yes, absolutely, the sins of the people were forgiven at any time when their offering was made and the priest made atonement for them. But their sins were NOT 'blotted out' at that time. They were still 'on record' in the sanctuary. And this is where the day of atonement came into play on the tenth day of the seventh month each year.

The day of atonement had a number of purposes. It was a type of judgment ot the people, which is why they had to "afflict their souls", and it was also for the complete removal of sins from the people and from the records in the sanctuary, which is why the 'live scape goat' received the sins and was led into the wilderness away from the sanctuary and the congregation. And this day of atonement 'type', the removal of sin, was NOT completed by Christ on the cross. No, it is now being fulfilled by Christ our High Priest in the heavenly sanctuary. So what importance does this have for us today? Let us think about some things regarding the day of atonement:

Was atonement made for the sinner who was not grieved over their sins and continued to live in self pleasure seeking and sin?

The short answer is absolutely not! As we read above in Leviticus 16, the people were to "afflict their souls" during this annual ceremony, the day of atonement. And look at what it says in Leviticus 23 concerning this:
Leviticus 23:27-29

So as we can see, those who were not afflicted during this time, those who were not grieved by their sins and sought to put them away completely, sacrificing all to the Lord, would be 'cut off' from among the people. So if Jesus is fulfilling this day of atonement 'type' in heaven, 'blotted out' our sins from the records books, to make final atonement for us, what should we be doing as His people? We should be deeply grieved over our sins and be seeking to turn away from all sin, putting them away, allowing Christ to completely cleanse us of all sin, given us complete victory over them.

This is what Christ is doing now in heaven during this 'anti-typical' day of atonement. He is not only blotting out our sins from the record books in the heavenly sanctuary, 'cleansing' the sanctuary. He is seeking to blot out sin FROM OUR LIVES, cleansing our 'body temple'. But those who continue living for this world, living in willful sin and self pleasure seeking will NOT received atonement and will be 'CUT OFF' from among God's people! Do you see the importance of this?
2Peter 3:11
The 'cleansing' of the literal fulfillment of the day of atonement began in 1844, of which the 2300 day prophecy of Daniel pointed to.

Now if Jesus made complete atonement on the cross, then all past and future sins of everyone who accepts the sacrifice of Christ has been completely atoned for already, and therefore those people are saved, no matter what they do after accepting the sacrifice of Christ. This is what 'once saves, always saved' people believe. They believe once our names are in the book of life in heaven, we cannot be lost. But the Bible teaches otherwise!
Revelation 3:5
For Jesus to say that those who 'OVERCOME' He will NOT blot out their names from the book of life, tells us that who do NOT overcome. Can you see the role of Jesus as our High Priest in Revelation 3 above? He is making final atonement for us with the Father in the most Holy place of the heavenly sanctuary, of which the earthly was a copy. And it is only those who abide by faith in Jesus, surrendering and sacrificing ALL to Him, allowing Jesus cleanse us from ALL sin, making us 'overcomers', who will REMAIN in the book of life.

You only need to look at the 'type' God gave us in the Old Testament. Look at how many Jews were destroyed and forever LOST due to their continued sinful lives and disobedience. And yet these were 'God's people.' The same applies to us today. If we 'claim' to have faith in Jesus, but continue to live worldly lives of sin and disobedience to God's will, then we too will be destroyed and forever lost. This is why God gave us these 'types' in the Old Testament, to teach us and lead us in the ways of righteousness.

PAUL SAID WE HAVE 'RECEIVED' THE ATONEMENT
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Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
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