Spirit of Light
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Not sure i understand when you say "have not grasped it yet" Do you mean as a Sufi, or do you mean i can not have grasped the teaching of the Gosple because i am not a Christian? or has not come to Jesus?
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Why is it so that the critiques of religion or spiritual practice
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MatthewA
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Spiritual things in general that are from God.
But you seem not interested in the example that was shown to you. I’m not saying you don’t know about Sufi.
Anyone can pretend; and if we pretend we are lying to ourselves that makes us to look on the outward appearance to look holy and righteous yet inside we by our hearts have thoughts that has evil come it.
Im just saying that you are always questioning and pondering spiritual things but I don’t know what it is you truly seek after.
I don’t know anything about Sufi or the spiritual aspects of it what is this? Where do the spiritual things come from? What does it teach you?
But you seem not interested in the example that was shown to you. I’m not saying you don’t know about Sufi.
Anyone can pretend; and if we pretend we are lying to ourselves that makes us to look on the outward appearance to look holy and righteous yet inside we by our hearts have thoughts that has evil come it.
Im just saying that you are always questioning and pondering spiritual things but I don’t know what it is you truly seek after.
I don’t know anything about Sufi or the spiritual aspects of it what is this? Where do the spiritual things come from? What does it teach you?
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
I seek closeness to Allah, To understand who I truly am (i do not believe the human body is the real me)
I seek to understand what i can do to realize the higher truth that Allah speak of and how to purify from within, meaning to end all form of attachments to this world, to only hold love and compassion from within, toward any being in this world or other worlds that may exist.
The spiritual come from the spiritual heart when one opens up to the teaching that one follows and purify the spiritual heart until wisdom arise.
I do not think or believe i am holy
The questions i ask is not to say or think i am better than others (i am not) it is to understand what other people believe and why. But i have no wish to take their belief away from them.The spiritual path i am on is a path that lead to fully selflesness, so that whatever i may meet in life it does not arise any form of ego. the inward "world" is what is important and to lay little or no attachments to the physical realm.
I am perhaps the exact opposite of you. I usually try to find people who can critique my beliefs and thoughts and understanding. I enjoy challenge, put out of comfort zone and I find that being challenged is the most ideal way by which I can learn and understand new things. I have found self drive good, but not sufficient. One tends to get too satisfied and comfortable often times.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
I do not mind critique, it is when the critique is hostile or it say "YOUR BELIEF IS WRONG, GOD DOES NOT EXIST" written all over it. that form of critique i do not understand
They might believe so about my belief, or spiritual path, but it is still their own thoughts, not mine. How can I tell someone from a different belief that they are wrong? it is their personal belief,not mine.
MatthewA
Active Member
I seek closeness to Allah, To understand who I truly am (i do not believe the human body is the real me)
I seek to understand what i can do to realize the higher truth that Allah speak of and how to purify from within, meaning to end all form of attachments to this world, to only hold love and compassion from within, toward any being in this world or other worlds that may exist.
The spiritual come from the spiritual heart when one opens up to the teaching that one follows and purify the spiritual heart until wisdom arise.
I do not think or believe i am holy
The spiritual path i am on is a path that lead to fully selflesness, so that whatever i may meet in life it does not arise any form of ego. the inward "world" is what is important and to lay little or no attachments to the physical realm.
How does one become spiritual at heart?
(My answer from God; he gives us a new heart and a new spirit as believers in the Lord Jesus Christ) Ezekiel 36:26
How can you become selfless ?
(By renewing their mind and allowing Christ Jesus to live with-in them that produces good fruit of love by faith) (Romans 12:2, Galatians 2:20; Galatians 5)
Having the mind focused on heavenly things (Colossians 3:2)
Does it come from you?
(My answer no it’s comes from God because he gives a a spirit and he writes his laws on our heart and mind Jeremiah 31:33)
Does it come from God?
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
For you as a Christian of course the bible hold the answers
Just as the Quran, and other scriptures/teaching within Sufism hold answers to the path i am on. It does not make your belief in Christ any less good than what I believe in. it is a different teaching, thats all.
Spirit of Light
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As i said earlier in a different thread, i do fail in something every day too, but to understand why and how to fix it, is a part of gaining wisdom. learning from once own mistaks and try to not do them again.
MatthewA
Active Member
For you as a Christian of course the bible hold the answers
You aren’t helping me find answers. That doesn’t help me any.
Guess I’ll dip from the conversation. If you plan to teach you have to give answers friend. And not just any answers truthful answers. God bless and may you and your family stay safe.
Spirit of Light
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I can not teachYou aren’t helping me find answers. That doesn’t help me any.
i can only share what my current understanding is, and it is constantly changing. My own teacher can teach because he is given the ok to do so, for me I am only a student.The answers i give here, are they not truthful? Am i telling you lies?
MatthewA
Active Member
I can not teach
The answers i give here, are they not truthful? Am i telling you lies?
I don’t know. You didn’t answer any of my questions.
Im not saying you are lying either. I don’t know what to think of any of it truly. That if you wanna express what is on your heart but can not critique or give answers all of it simply just questionable.
You take care now.
rational experiences
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As a human equal basic life I can think.
I think about science thesis used in religious idealism and wonder why.
I see science as a separate other group.
I think.
History says science occult nuclear burnt us to death. Quantified it against one God principles natural.spirit bodies. A science.
So then I thought about consequences nuclear irradiation. Human body type changes. Brain mental emotional behaviour change. Humans angry.
Realisation hierarchy choices caused it.
Hierarchy then implemented conditions.
Religious healing.
To practice constant meditative praying was brain entrainment.
Had to teach humans ways to control the irradiation effects.
Oils balms given.
Sound therapy implemented by basic building structures for conducive sound therapy. Using song harmonics bells instruments for soothing.
Implemented three times day visits as it was a needed human assistance to gain healing of mind and body.
What hierarchy did not control spatial return of hotter burning asteroids.
Jesus event.
Asteroid wandering saviour returning cold gases replacing earths heavens. Temple pyramid science set alight the star. Burnt life sacrificed. Returned thousand years later as shroud Turin attack.
All the healing hard work lost. The human brain became lost to its dark ages.
Only smaller spiritual groups remained aware and owned a hard fought return to humans spirituality versus false religious preaching.
I think about science thesis used in religious idealism and wonder why.
I see science as a separate other group.
I think.
History says science occult nuclear burnt us to death. Quantified it against one God principles natural.spirit bodies. A science.
So then I thought about consequences nuclear irradiation. Human body type changes. Brain mental emotional behaviour change. Humans angry.
Realisation hierarchy choices caused it.
Hierarchy then implemented conditions.
Religious healing.
To practice constant meditative praying was brain entrainment.
Had to teach humans ways to control the irradiation effects.
Oils balms given.
Sound therapy implemented by basic building structures for conducive sound therapy. Using song harmonics bells instruments for soothing.
Implemented three times day visits as it was a needed human assistance to gain healing of mind and body.
What hierarchy did not control spatial return of hotter burning asteroids.
Jesus event.
Asteroid wandering saviour returning cold gases replacing earths heavens. Temple pyramid science set alight the star. Burnt life sacrificed. Returned thousand years later as shroud Turin attack.
All the healing hard work lost. The human brain became lost to its dark ages.
Only smaller spiritual groups remained aware and owned a hard fought return to humans spirituality versus false religious preaching.
I can't answer your question about religion without also discussing politics.
The Religious Right showed up in great numbers and made this religious issue political by taking over the United States and ruining it.
If members of a religion rally to a cause in great numbers, as the Religious Right did, and out-vote their opposition, and appoint their representatives, they could do harm. They won by convincing others that newborn babies would be aborted then murdered (if they still lived). They won by convincing others that scientists and atheists were trying to take away their religion by refusing to allow schools to have group prayers in church that favor their religion only. They won by cutting funds for planned parenthood, sex education, and condoms, all of which prevent diseases and unwanted pregnancies. Gays are under attack by most of the Christian faith.
The world is in terrible condition now, and the Religious Right has been in charge. Wars ("thou shalt not kill"), a torture camp, homeless ignored, starvation around the world, mankind's influence on Global Warming, excessive brush in horrible droughts, and logging roads to chop more old growth forests, threats of nuclear war, terrorism (Arab terrorists are opposed to occupying force in Iraq and Afghanistan, and aid to Israel). Greed has gripped the pharmaceutical industry. Wars in the middle east were akin to holy jihads of Christians against Islamics--or akin to a Crusade. Supreme Court justices are appointed for life and Justice Clarence Thomas was a young lawyer with longevity in his family. So, despite sexually predating Anita Hill, Thomas was appointed, and his decisions have been staunchly Republican. Trump was required, by his supporters, to be Republican, but there was no requirement to be intelligent, so Trump said dumb things like "COVID will be over in two week" or "maybe we could inject Lysol in our veins?" Ruth Bader Ginsberg clung to her SCOTUS seat to the bitter end, fighting through cancer operations, because stakes were high and wrong decisions were easy to make--it wasn't easy for the grand old lady.
Soldiers were brainwashed into believing that the war in Iraq was somehow linked to the 911 terrorist attack, so the soldiers thought that they were defending America. With Colon Powell lying through his teeth about foreign intel, lying us into war, we were faced with a choice to believe a man who gets covert intel or believe our own perceptions. Many believed the liar. Condoleeza Rice advocated war. Soldiers, if obeying orders, cannot be more honorable than the one who commands them.
As governor of Texas, W. Bush refused to allow DNA evidence to clear a man on death row (he was executed). Also, W. Bush mocked a woman on death row "please don't kill me" "please don't kill me." The Religious Right president was neither compassionate nor holy. By crossing the boundary that separates church and state, the Religious Right chose a strange bedfellow, someone who espoused their cause but was definitely not of their ilk.
Discussions are dangerous.....they lead to wisdom.
Shall we ban free speech because religions are on shaky ground and unable to defend their assertions?
Certainly the Christian faith has banned free speech in the past. Reverend Savonarolla had the Bonfire of the Vanities, burning anything (art or books) that seemed frivolous or not directly supporting the Catholic's view of the bible. The Dark Ages were a time when people were tortured to death for their religious beliefs at the hands of Catholics, and that keep the world in ignorance for many centuries. Even today, science is perceived by some theists as an evil pursuit that seeks to destroy their religion.
Certainly various religions have proselytized. Bibles are put in hotels, church elders walk door to door, whole radio and TV stations are dedicated to broadcast religion. Is it asking too much for a religious forum to allow discussion about religion?
Some Christians join the KKK or Aryan Nation, or skinhead group, and many such groups proudly display crosses or other Christian symbols.
MatthewA
Active Member
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I can't answer your question about religion without also discussing politics.
The Religious Right showed up in great numbers and made this religious issue political by taking over the United States and ruining it.
If members of a religion rally to a cause in great numbers, as the Religious Right did, and out-vote their opposition, and appoint their representatives, they could do harm. They won by convincing others that newborn babies would be aborted then murdered (if they still lived). They won by convincing others that scientists and atheists were trying to take away their religion by refusing to allow schools to have group prayers in church that favor their religion only. They won by cutting funds for planned parenthood, sex education, and condoms, all of which prevent diseases and unwanted pregnancies. Gays are under attack by most of the Christian faith.
The world is in terrible condition now, and the Religious Right has been in charge. Wars ("thou shalt not kill"), a torture camp, homeless ignored, starvation around the world, mankind's influence on Global Warming, excessive brush in horrible droughts, and logging roads to chop more old growth forests, threats of nuclear war, terrorism (Arab terrorists are opposed to occupying force in Iraq and Afghanistan, and aid to Israel). Greed has gripped the pharmaceutical industry. Wars in the middle east were akin to holy jihads of Christians against Islamics--or akin to a Crusade. Supreme Court justices are appointed for life and Justice Clarence Thomas was a young lawyer with longevity in his family. So, despite sexually predating Anita Hill, Thomas was appointed, and his decisions have been staunchly Republican. Trump was required, by his supporters, to be Republican, but there was no requirement to be intelligent, so Trump said dumb things like "COVID will be over in two week" or "maybe we could inject Lysol in our veins?" Ruth Bader Ginsberg clung to her SCOTUS seat to the bitter end, fighting through cancer operations, because stakes were high and wrong decisions were easy to make--it wasn't easy for the grand old lady.
Soldiers were brainwashed into believing that the war in Iraq was somehow linked to the 911 terrorist attack, so the soldiers thought that they were defending America. With Colon Powell lying through his teeth about foreign intel, lying us into war, we were faced with a choice to believe a man who gets covert intel or believe our own perceptions. Many believed the liar. Condoleeza Rice advocated war. Soldiers, if obeying orders, cannot be more honorable than the one who commands them.
As governor of Texas, W. Bush refused to allow DNA evidence to clear a man on death row (he was executed). Also, W. Bush mocked a woman on death row "please don't kill me" "please don't kill me." The Religious Right president was neither compassionate nor holy. By crossing the boundary that separates church and state, the Religious Right chose a strange bedfellow, someone who espoused their cause but was definitely not of their ilk.
Discussions are dangerous.....they lead to wisdom.
Shall we ban free speech because religions are on shaky ground and unable to defend their assertions?
Certainly the Christian faith has banned free speech in the past. Reverend Savonarolla had the Bonfire of the Vanities, burning anything (art or books) that seemed frivolous or not directly supporting the Catholic's view of the bible. The Dark Ages were a time when people were tortured to death for their religious beliefs at the hands of Catholics, and that keep the world in ignorance for many centuries. Even today, science is perceived by some theists as an evil pursuit that seeks to destroy their religion.
Certainly various religions have proselytized. Bibles are put in hotels, church elders walk door to door, whole radio and TV stations are dedicated to broadcast religion. Is it asking too much for a religious forum to allow discussion about religion?
Some Christians join the KKK or Aryan Nation, or skinhead group, and many such groups proudly display crosses or other Christian symbols.
That is something that brings to mind of what Jesus Christ had said when He was questioned by pilate. He told pilate that his kingdom was not of this world. Or his servants would fight.
Many American get Christianity and politics mixed up, and it can be unfruitful when one group disagree with another and that was why Jesus said that when pilate questioned him.
The homosexual things and sin; sin has been paid for; but not everyone has repented.
Repentance means change their mind; to change their mind and to turn towards God and the Lord Jesus and become spiritually born again (john 3) and they start yearning for more of the Lord and God in their life and start seeking heavenly things rather than what is here.
As Christians we don’t fight against flesh and bone (against other people), the warfare for a Christian is inward that has to deal with the heart and mind of a person as they continue to walk and seek and trusting in God by and through faith.
MatthewA
Active Member
Why is it so that the critiques of religion or spiritual practice
Back to the topic at hand; thank you for talking with me @Conscious thoughts hope you have a good day brother and take care.
Back to the topic at hand; thank you for talking with me @Conscious thoughts hope you have a good day brother and take care.
, To critique someone's religion because they feel it is a threat to their "freedom", would only be applicable to me ,I guess if it meant in the sense of say for example some religion was imposed in the UK and started to dictate how I live, school and what I'm allowed to believe then I would be critical of that .
Of course I do believe all other religions are false . I do not believe their texts , practices , and such are from God at all . But is it all 'negative ', do other religions, texts / books and such contain horrible, nasty completely false things on every page ? No ,not at all . There some practical things that are good , there's some good principles, some good ethics also . I don't critique those things. But if ultimately they lead away from God . That the core message / information is not to salvation or from God ,but quite the opposite, ok now I'm critical of something that i see is an issue . For me its the equivalent of watching people walk toward the edge of a cliff , I see them happily going towards it , actually fighting with me when I m trying to point this out to them , turning on me when I'm simply trying to help them see the cliff edge . With this though , I realise what I believed prior to being a Christian. I know how strong someone's convictions can be , And that people need to arrive at their own conclusions ,through their own sense making. I can but simply point to the sign " cliff edge , turn around " Until they see the warning and believe it ,they will continue in the direction they are going .
Spirit of Light
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MatthewA
Active Member
thank you for your thought provoking comment, because I’m in the same boat with you. I don’t believe that every religious text brings forth spiritual things that are from God. It is amazing how lost in the world filled with knowledge a person can get. Though when you sit down and focus on the learning about God and the Lord Jesus Christ your life starts to change by the spirit. There is suffering involved that comes with the price of the receipt of the Good news Gospel of Christ Jesus that is the power of God to Salvation; though you are able to have peace with God; though it might not be peace with everyone else. Which is why Christians are called to do good unto those who have done you wrong, and pray for those who despise you or persecute you because of whatever it might be. God is good and there is none other like him.
If people desire to believe and follow another path that is okay, fine by me; it’s their choice we are called to love them either way: life is so much more tougher without God but it is tough with God to. Because of all the trials and tribulations suffered by and through experience ; but it’s all part of the process...
In the hopes of being resurrected in our new spiritual bodies after life to go and be with God and the Lord Jesus Christ to live by faith and in the hope that doesn’t diss appoint though we can be disappointed by others own choices we dont condemn or judge them yet try to give the chance to go to God and look towards Jesus if they want to.
Everything is predicated down to a personal choice ; and it a freely given choice.
All is well here
Hope all is well with you too
God bless and take care.