Can I recommend a book by Mr Melms, this is a book that says how the prophecies were not fulfilled by by Baha'u'llah and that he was deceived by a false spirit. Yes it just came out yesterday.
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What does it actually mean to be saved in Christianity?
- Thread starter Spirit of Light
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Yes, ' inward change happens ' but as Jesus said at Matthew 24:13 the one who endures to the end is saved (delivered / rescued)
Even Paul was concerned about being a castaway according to 1 Corinthians 9:27; 1 Corinthians 10:12
I find there are two (2) judgements to come at the same time as found at Matthew 25:31-33.
* One judgement is an 'adverse' judgement for those figurative haughty ' goats '
* One judgement is a 'favorable' judgement for the figurative humble 'sheep '- Matthew 25:37.
Your taking verses out of context. " Endure to the end ( context? ) of the tribulation " .No one in the body of Christ will be there .
' Castaway ' = Failed in ministry, not eternal damnation .
No Christians will be at the great White throne .
Have you read Eph 1.13 -14 .
Eph 4.30 ?
Somewhere along the line you have drifted into either 'Lordship salvation 'or 'conditional salvation '
Yes, I have read Ephesians 1:13-14; in connection to 2 Corinthians 1:22; Revelation 7:4 and Ephesians 4:30,
besides 2 Corinthians 5:5; 1 Peter 1:3-4; 1 Peter 2:9; Romans 8:23; Titus 2:5-6.
Ephesians 4:30 says Do Not be grieving God's spirit (Matthew 12:32) to cause sorrow to Gods' spirit.
- Ephesians 1:13; Isaiah 63:10; Romans 8:23
According to Isaiah 26:20 Christians will be here - Revelation 7:9.
They will come through the great tribulation of Revelation 7:14.
Why have you just glossed over Eph 4.30 ?
I am wondering what you find or Not find at Matthew 24:13 _______________
The Greek verb rendered to 'endure' (hypome'no) literally means: to remain.
We can 'remain' instead of fleeing by standing one's ground; persevering, or remaining steadfast.
- Matthew 10:22; Romans 12:12; Hebrews 10:32; James 5:11.
Like the apostles, taking and holding a course of action despite opposition or trials - Matthew 24:9-12
So, yes endure to the end of one's life, or be found faithful at the coming 'time of separation' as found at Matthew 25:31-33; Matthew 10:22; Mark 13:13; Luke 21:19; Hebrews 10:36; Revelation 2:10.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Go ahead, I'd like to see the vain attempts.
You say I have glossed over, but I wonder what comments you'd like to make.
Ephesians 4:30; 4:1 in connection to Ephesians 1:13; Romans 8:23.
They have that first or earlier resurrection as found at Revelation 20:6; 2:10; 5:9-10.
God's spirit in connection going way back to Genesis 1:2
Then, we find Jesus was baptized with holy spirit - Luke 3:16
Jesus' disciples were filled with God's spirit at Pentecost according to Acts of the Apostles 1:5,8; Acts 2:4, 33.
God's spirit leading them in a life of faithfulnes - Romans 8:14-17; 2 Corinthians 1:22.
Gods' spirit produced or cultivated in them to avoid works of the flesh in favor of the spirit - Galatians 5:19-25
Ignoring God's guidance could lead to willful deliberate sins and eventual destruction - Matthew 12:31-32
Thus, the warning given by Paul at 1 Corinthians 10:12 to ' beware '.......
- Those turning wicked will be 'destroyed forever'- Psalms 92:7; Psalms 104:35; Proverbs 2:21-22.
So as Not to grieve God's spirit one needs to control and cultivate the fruitage of God's spirit.
This is why Paul wrote about avoiding tendencies towards being dishonest, lazy, etc in the 4th chapter of Ephesians.
Rather, put on the ' new ' (or Christian) personality and Not allow oneself to drift back to wrong doings.
If one goes against the inspired counsel found in God's Word, the Holy Bible, one could end up grieving God's spirit.
Thus, in Ephesians chapter 5 is the counsel about things to avoid, but you asked about chapter 4.
Any comments about Hebrews 10:26 _______ or 2 Peter 2:21______ Matthew 12:32 ______Hebrews 6:4-6______
cataway
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Trailblazer
Veteran Member
That's right, we are souls who are temporarily operating out of physical bodies for our short life spans on Earth.
During the tribulation. No Christians will go through Jacobs trouble .
I can send you the one by Dr Ivor Sina angle . Its come out today . He s the new prophet/ manifestation come to tell us more new revelation. That all that was taught last week has been changed now ,with this new 'up date '.
Again you gloss over those verses ? I take them literally.
Heres the pattern I see you may fall into.
1) Amy verse that has the words ' damnation , shipwrecked, saved , and such ,are taken as ' sent to hell ' or connected to that .
2 ) Verses that are for the tribulation period are put onto the Church
3 ) Some form of replacement theology . This is where verses aimed at Israel are used for the Church .
4 ) OT and NT verses all applied the same .
cataway
Well-Known Member
the short life spans is some thing that will be corrected when the kingdom takes over .
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Do you have any Bible verses to back up this belief? If not it is just wishful thinking.
cataway
Well-Known Member
if i do ,,,,then what ?
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Then I will tell you what I believe those verses mean.