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Video of Isaac Herzog doing the rounds...

Yerda

Veteran Member
...on the social medias. In the recording the apparently says that Jews marrying or partnering non-Jews is "a plague". Herzog is president-elect of Israel.

Perhaps someone who speaks Hebrew and has watched the clip could confirm the subtitles are correct. Some people are horrified, some folk don't care either way. I'm sure he means it in the sense that the preservation of the Jewish nation is of importance to him.

I'm entirely comfortable with Jews seeking Jewish spouses, Muslims seeking Muslim spouses etc if that's what that person seeks. There are atheists who've said on here they wouldn't date a theists. In each case the people are being silly in narrowing their opportunities to find real love and lasting fulfilling relationship but each to their own.

But if you say that inter-marriage is a great problem to you are you also implying by that statement that the 'others' aren't good enough for your people?

If I were to love Jewish person (my partner's grandmother was Jewish - but for a twist or two in fate it could've happened) I would be part of the plague. That seems inherently wrong and possibly bigoted.

Thoughts?
 

danieldemol

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Premium Member
...on the social medias. In the recording the apparently says that Jews marrying or partnering non-Jews is "a plague". Herzog is president-elect of Israel.

Perhaps someone who speaks Hebrew and has watched the clip could confirm the subtitles are correct. Some people are horrified, some folk don't care either way. I'm sure he means it in the sense that the preservation of the Jewish nation is of importance to him.

I'm entirely comfortable with Jews seeking Jewish spouses, Muslims seeking Muslim spouses etc if that's what that person seeks. There are atheists who've said on here they wouldn't date a theists. In each case the people are being silly in narrowing their opportunities to find real love and lasting fulfilling relationship but each to their own.

But if you say that inter-marriage is a great problem to you are you also implying by that statement that the 'others' aren't good enough for your people?

If I were to love Jewish person (my partner's grandmother was Jewish - but for a twist or two in fate it could've happened) I would be part of the plague. That seems inherently wrong and possibly bigoted.

Thoughts?
If the subtitles are correct;
It is not possibly bigoted, it is outright bigoted.
If it were a plague the public would be justified in preventing its spread.
Since it is not a plague it is the business of the individuals concerned and interference with it is just a form of discrimination.
In my opinion.
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
What? A representative of a Jewish interest group for the Diaspora is worried about the growing intermarriage rate among US Jewry and its consequences?

Wow that's a shocker. Why wouldn't he be happy about there being less Jews?
Every good Jew supports a world with less Jews.

This is deeply troubling where we have to live with around 14,6 million Jews right now on the same planet.


Boo hoo hoo

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Next up: Why are these damn Assyrians/Zoroastrians/Druze/Kurds looking out for each other? Those damn supremacists won't just vanish into thin air. :mad:


Must be nice not to be a minority with less numbers than the average instagram followers of some scantily dressed teenage girl.
 
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Yerda

Veteran Member
What? A representative of a Jewish interest group for the Diaspora is worried about the growing intermarriage rate among US Jewry and its consequences?

Wow that's a shocker. Why wouldn't he be happy about there being less Jews?
Every good Jew supports a world with less Jews.

This is deeply troubling where we have to live with around 14,6 million Jews right now on the same planet.


Boo hoo hoo

ztgbux6epkkd.jpg




Next up: Why are these damn Assyrians/Zoroastrians/Druze/Kurds looking out for each other? Those damn supremacists won't just vanish into thin air. :mad:


Must be nice not to be a minority with less numbers than the average instagram followers of some scantily dressed teenage girl.
Ok. The image is pretty informative if accurate.

So if I wanted to protect the interests of the Scottish diaspora in America I wouldn't be calling marriages with members of other groups 'a plague' is my initial thought. I can't imagine a member of an other ethnic/national/religious group saying that without thinking that it's a bit dodgy.

I know you're being sarcastic but are you saying that Isaac Herzog shouldn't support a world where Jews marry who they like and are accepted members of other communities in case they don't have enough Jewish children?
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
Ok. The image is pretty informative if accurate.

It is.

So if I wanted to protect the interests of the Scottish diaspora in America I wouldn't be calling marriages with members of other groups 'a plague' is my initial thought. I can't imagine a member of an other ethnic/national/religious group saying that without thinking that it's a bit dodgy.

Call me when there has been a genocide to murder all Scots.


I know you're being sarcastic but are you saying that Isaac Herzog shouldn't support a world where Jews marry who they like and are accepted members of other communities in case they don't have enough Jewish children?

Non-Jews just don't understand the issue.
Herzog didn't say it because he wanted to send out Commando Units to stop people from marrying.
It's simply about instilling Jewish identity in mainly US Jews.

That's all these groups do.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
This reminds me of a Jewish guy I once worked with.
His mother told him that "gentiles are for practice",
meaning that he could have sex with non-Jews, but
it should never be serious. He had to marry a nice
Jewish girl.
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
Well, thanks for the info.

Flankerl said:
Call me when there has been a genocide to murder all Scots.
Stop me if I'm wrong but aren't people less likley to have genocidal impulses against a group when they don't see them as 'separate' or 'other'?

Flankerl said:
Non-Jews just don't understand the issue.
Herzog didn't say it because he wanted to send out Commando Units to stop people from marrying.
It's simply about instilling Jewish identity in mainly US Jews.

That's all these groups do.
Ok. I definitely don't understand the issue. I admit this.

I didn't think Herzog was calling commando units. I guess that I thought he was saying, hey Jews, don't marry non-Jews cause they suck, in a sense. In my experience people objecting to inter-marriage are being gross bigots. But I get that I'm not seeing the whole picture and maybe I can't because I'm not Jewish and don't understand Jewish identity.

I do know that if a particular Scottish Jewish women hadn't married particular Scottish non-Jewish man then the love of my life wouldn't exist.

Anyway, I haven't seen you post for a while. I hope things are ok and you're doing well.
 

rosends

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I didn't think Herzog was calling commando units. I guess that I thought he was saying, hey Jews, don't marry non-Jews cause they suck, in a sense. In my experience people objecting to inter-marriage are being gross bigots. .
I am against Jews marrying out of the religion, i.e. "intermarriage." Attributing to anyone the sensibility that "they suck" as being the motivating factor (or even the subtext), is neither right, nor very nice.
 
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Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
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...on the social medias. In the recording the apparently says that Jews marrying or partnering non-Jews is "a plague". Herzog is president-elect of Israel.

Perhaps someone who speaks Hebrew and has watched the clip could confirm the subtitles are correct. Some people are horrified, some folk don't care either way. I'm sure he means it in the sense that the preservation of the Jewish nation is of importance to him.

I'm entirely comfortable with Jews seeking Jewish spouses, Muslims seeking Muslim spouses etc if that's what that person seeks. There are atheists who've said on here they wouldn't date a theists. In each case the people are being silly in narrowing their opportunities to find real love and lasting fulfilling relationship but each to their own.

But if you say that inter-marriage is a great problem to you are you also implying by that statement that the 'others' aren't good enough for your people?

If I were to love Jewish person (my partner's grandmother was Jewish - but for a twist or two in fate it could've happened) I would be part of the plague. That seems inherently wrong and possibly bigoted.

Thoughts?
Typically, the view is that they can marry non-Jews but the non-Jewish partner would be expected to convert, like Isla Fisher did when she married Sacha Baron Cohen or Ivanka Trump marrying Jared Kushner. I suppose there's examples with the genders in reverse but women may be more likely to change or adopt a religion to marry a man, in general. So it's not really a "racist" thing. Jewish converts are supposed to be viewed as just as Jewish as those born into it (whether that is actually true in practice, I cannot say).

Obviously there's some Jews who are racist and take it too far, though. That's mostly seen among the far-right in Israel, though. They were having actual campaigns trying to persuade Mark Zuckerberg from marrying his Asian-American wife.
 
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Yerda

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I am against Jews marrying out of the religion, i.e. "intermarriage." Attributing to anyone the sensibility that "they suck" as being the motivating factor (or even the subtext). Is neither right, nor very nice.
Ok. Is it because of the numbers issue?
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
Ok. Is it because of the numbers issue?
No. It is because there is an idea that there are different people in the world, members of different groups with different functions and roles. Those roles aren't a matter of superiority or inferiority, but about what we see as a divinely mandated difference, so we respect that difference.
 
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Yerda

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No. It is because there is an idea that there are different people in the world, members of different groups with different functions and roles. Those roles aren't a matter of superiority or inferiority, but about what we see as a divinely mandated difference, so we respect that difference.
Oh ok. Do you mind me asking you questions about this?
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
Oh ok. Do you mind me asking you questions about this?
If I can't answer I will say so or try to find resources that can. Otherwise, it would be silly for me to be out here in the public and not welcome questions.
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
If I can't answer I will say so or try to find resources that can. Otherwise, it would be silly for me to be out here in the public and not welcome questions.
Ok. So the groups you mentioned, is it Jews and non-Jews, or are there more groups?
 

rosends

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Ok. So the groups you mentioned, is it Jews and non-Jews, or are there more groups?
There are, of course, groups within groups in certain senses (in that, for example, among Jews, there are some subgroups bound by laws which don't apply to other Jews) but the general distinction between Jews and non-Jews in terms of the divine expectation of observing the 7 laws of Noach and holding to the full Mosaic code is the only real distinction.
 
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