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Does perfection exist?

King Phenomenon

King Phenomenon

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Dan From Smithville said:
I have friends and know of people that have been called perfectionists. This is often spoken of as a positive trait, although at times I have sensed that some also meant picky too.

One question that always comes to my mind on hearing such statements is "How do they know what is perfect?" for whatever it is they do. Or is it that they just like things a certain way that is pleasing to them and others find something pleasing about it too?

Does perfection in anything really exist? Wouldn't you have to know what is perfect in order to approach it? Is it logically possible to achieve perfection and how would you know?
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Dan From Smithville said:
Sure. But that is not perfection that can be objectively demonstrated to others. My idea of God would regard a state of perfection, but it is not going to be seen that way by everyone.
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An object demonstration isn’t necessary with God
 
ChristineM

ChristineM

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Meandflower said:
The one universal God of the universe\universes. The one God who is the source, creator, substainer of this universe\ universes. The one universal God\source\spirit all religions desribe in different ways
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That narrows it down to about 3800 different gods.
 
Truthseeker

Truthseeker

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Meandflower said:
The one universal God of the universe\universes. The one God who is the source, creator, substainer of this universe\ universes. The one universal God\source\spirit all religions desribe in different ways
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I agree with all of that, including the universe/universes part. Also it is true there is but one God behind all religions each with their different take depending on time and place.
 
InChrist

InChrist

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Dan From Smithville said:
I have friends and know of people that have been called perfectionists. This is often spoken of as a positive trait, although at times I have sensed that some also meant picky too.

One question that always comes to my mind on hearing such statements is "How do they know what is perfect?" for whatever it is they do. Or is it that they just like things a certain way that is pleasing to them and others find something pleasing about it too?

Does perfection in anything really exist? Wouldn't you have to know what is perfect in order to approach it? Is it logically possible to achieve perfection and how would you know?
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I believe perfection exists only in God the Creator of heaven and earth. No human can achieve perfection. Only the Son of God/Son of man, Jesus Christ was able to live the perfect human life because He was God in the flesh. He offers His perfect righteousness and an eternally perfect life to all who trust Him as Savior.
 
InChrist

InChrist

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Truthseeker9 said:
I agree with all of that, including the universe/universes part. Also it is true there is but one God behind all religions each with their different take depending on time and place.
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If there is but one God behind all the religions with their different takes, then I’d say that God is quite contradictory, confusing and schizophrenic.
The Bible claims that God who created heaven and earth is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33). So it seems to me that it is people, with all their various ideas and religions about God, who are mistaken and confused.
 
Dan From Smithville

Dan From Smithville

What we've got here is failure to communicate.
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Meandflower said:
Only God is perfect.

human beings is not perfect.
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I am interested in the concept of perfection in a general sense and whether it is only subjective or if there is some objective perfection. I do not disagree and would believe the same. But is that perfection that all can observe and is the perfection of God something that might vary based on the observer?
 
Spirit of Light

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Dan From Smithville said:
I am interested in the concept of perfection in a general sense and whether it is only subjective or if there is some objective perfection. I do not disagree and would believe the same. But is that perfection that all can observe and is the perfection of God something that might vary based on the observer?
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I think each human find their own level of perfection in this world :) So even i did find something i see as perfect, it does not mean you would think it is perfect, because your standard of perfect may be different :)
 
Dan From Smithville

Dan From Smithville

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Mock Turtle said:
I don't tend to believe in perfection (not in the human sense) - apart from getting the correct answer where necessary, as when solving problems that do have definite solutions. Other than this I think in my life any approach to perfectionism usually lies in the range just good enough to probably the best I can do, such that I rarely aim for being perfect and don't worry when I am inevitably not. I have won few things in life, particularly when such involved competition with others, and mostly never bothered about losing, given that the competition rarely meant much to me. But I don't like failing when I set myself tasks, and usually don't fail. As to perfectionism in any other areas, well it may be good for some but all too often all I see is focus that leads down a blind alley, or one which tends to exclude information that might tend to cause a change of direction.
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Would you say that seeking perfection could blind us to greater creativity or our conception of perfection could lead us astray by being wrong?
 
Dan From Smithville

Dan From Smithville

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PureX said:
Perfection is an ideal. It 'exists' as an ideal. But when we try to apply that ideal to reality, reality nearly always comes up short.

Ideals are often like a lighthouse. They are good for steering a course BY, but disastrous to steer directly AT.
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This approximates my view of perfection nearly perfectly.
 
Dan From Smithville

Dan From Smithville

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Revoltingest said:
Perfectionism is a disability.
But if properly managed, it can be put to use.
In engineering it helps dedicate oneself to do
the best job, design iteration after iteration,
making it better & better.
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I agree about perfectionism and I think you have correctly elaborated on how it be managed practically to good use.

Perfectionism is flawed in my estimation too. In part, because the perfect state does appear to be elusive and is much more credible as an ideal to guide us than an obsession to rule us.
 
Dan From Smithville

Dan From Smithville

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InChrist said:
If there is but one God behind all the religions with their different takes, then I’d say that God is quite contradictory, confusing and schizophrenic.
The Bible claims that God who created heaven and earth is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33). So it seems to me that it is people, with all their various ideas and religions about God, who are mistaken and confused.
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Unfortunately, this is not a perfect world and all the religions say the same thing about the others.
 
R

rational experiences

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Dan From Smithville said:
I have friends and know of people that have been called perfectionists. This is often spoken of as a positive trait, although at times I have sensed that some also meant picky too.

One question that always comes to my mind on hearing such statements is "How do they know what is perfect?" for whatever it is they do. Or is it that they just like things a certain way that is pleasing to them and others find something pleasing about it too?

Does perfection in anything really exist? Wouldn't you have to know what is perfect in order to approach it? Is it logically possible to achieve perfection and how would you know?
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No.

The reasoning.

Imperfection has to exist for you to claim I would rather perfection. As we are experiencing imperfection itself.
 
Dan From Smithville

Dan From Smithville

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Conscious thoughts said:
I think each human find their own level of perfection in this world :) So even i did find something i see as perfect, it does not mean you would think it is perfect, because your standard of perfect may be different :)
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So you see standards as being subjective and as relative as individual concepts of perfection. I tend to agree.
 
Dan From Smithville

Dan From Smithville

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rational experiences said:
No.

The reasoning.

Imperfection has to exist for you to claim I would rather perfection. As we are experiencing imperfection itself.
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This may be the lucid thing I have ever seen you post.

I think a state of perfection in generally anything appears to be conceptual rather than actual, but we can see imperfection on another relative scale.
 
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