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military coup in the USA wanted

sun rise

sun rise

The world is on fire
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This is the present of a few but could become real given where the right has been going over the past few years. It was at a QAnon gathering:

“I wanna know why what happened in Myanmar can’t happen here?” an unidentified member of the audience asked Flynn, though he pronounced the nation as “Minnimar.”


“No reason,” Flynn responded to wild screams of approval. “It should happen.”

Trump's Ex-National Security Adviser Michael Flynn Calls For Myanmar-Type Coup In U.S. | HuffPost
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
sun rise said:
This is the present of a few but could become real given where the right has been going over the past few years. It was at a QAnon gathering:

“I wanna know why what happened in Myanmar can’t happen here?” an unidentified member of the audience asked Flynn, though he pronounced the nation as “Minnimar.”


“No reason,” Flynn responded to wild screams of approval. “It should happen.”

Trump's Ex-National Security Adviser Michael Flynn Calls For Myanmar-Type Coup In U.S. | HuffPost
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According to a recent poll, 23% of Republicans consider themselves to be believers of Q-anon, and that cultish movement does indeed involve the overthrow of the government by Trump. And what's even worse and more threatening is that Republican congressional leaders won't denounce this, and neither will Trump.

By chance, did anyone hear George Will talk about this two weekends ago? He blasted the party he used to be a spokesman for because of this and also their betrayal of basic conservative values.
 
Stevicus

Stevicus

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sun rise said:
This is the present of a few but could become real given where the right has been going over the past few years. It was at a QAnon gathering:

“I wanna know why what happened in Myanmar can’t happen here?” an unidentified member of the audience asked Flynn, though he pronounced the nation as “Minnimar.”


“No reason,” Flynn responded to wild screams of approval. “It should happen.”

Trump's Ex-National Security Adviser Michael Flynn Calls For Myanmar-Type Coup In U.S. | HuffPost
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I don't know if the authorities would investigate this; it seems borderline. Not a clear and present danger, but perhaps a clear and possible danger in the future. But it's hard to say how this will be played out legally.

From the article:

Trump pardoned Flynn in November after he lost the election.

Trump granted him an extremely broad reprieve from “any and all possible offenses” he might have committed linked to special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Kremlin interference in the 2016 election.

U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan angrily dismissed the case against Flynn following the pardon.

“A pardon does not necessarily render ‘innocent’ a defendant of any alleged violation of the law,” Sullivan noted in a 43-page memorandum. “Indeed, the Supreme Court has recognized that the acceptance of a pardon implies a ‘confession’ of guilt.” He called the pardon a “political” decision, not a legal one.

Flynn retains his military title and is collecting a full military pension even as he promotes a military coup against the democratically elected and constitutionally protected government.

Critics on Twitter were appalled by Flynn’s call for violence against the government.
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I recall the movie Seven Days in May, with Burt Lancaster and Kirk Douglas. The militaristic right has always tended to staunchly oppose any government which (in their view) makes America weaker or diminishes our strategic position in any way. They get it in their heads that they and they alone know what's best for America and that our national survival depends on their leadership.
 
PureX

PureX

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sun rise said:
“I wanna know why what happened in Myanmar can’t happen here?” an unidentified member of the audience asked Flynn, though he pronounced the nation as “Minnimar.”


“No reason,” Flynn responded to wild screams of approval. “It should happen.”
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I understand their frustration. But they are sorely ignorant of the reality that follows from the action they are contemplating. I would also like to see a few select politicians and a few select CEOs dragged into the public square and strung up as examples to the others. But the reality of that kind of action is far, far more dire than the stupidly over-simplified fantasy of "justice" we think it represents. Engaging in an action like that would be endemic of a total collapse of our justice system, and with it, social order. And things get very ugly when that happens. And military coups pretty much never have a good result, because militaries are populated by and run by near total authoritarians who have been trained to respond with maximum force and destructive power. NOT the kind of entity that anyone in their right mind wants running a society of civilians.
 
ecco

ecco

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sun rise said:
“I wanna know why what happened in Myanmar can’t happen here?” an unidentified member of the audience asked Flynn, though he pronounced the nation as “Minnimar.”


“No reason,” Flynn responded to wild screams of approval. “It should happen.”
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I think Flynn should be arrested and charged with sedition:
conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.



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ETA: If no one will arrest and charge him, then this Twitter suggestion sounds like a possibility:
Replying to @MC_Hyperbole
This statement should cost him his rank and his retirement. He said a coup should happen here. That’s enough.
8:12 PM · May 30, 2021

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exchemist

exchemist

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sun rise said:
This is the present of a few but could become real given where the right has been going over the past few years. It was at a QAnon gathering:

“I wanna know why what happened in Myanmar can’t happen here?” an unidentified member of the audience asked Flynn, though he pronounced the nation as “Minnimar.”


“No reason,” Flynn responded to wild screams of approval. “It should happen.”

Trump's Ex-National Security Adviser Michael Flynn Calls For Myanmar-Type Coup In U.S. | HuffPost
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The joke about this is that it was the military that made clear to Trump, in the dying days of his presidency, that it would uphold the Constitution and preserve democracy. (I was rather impressed with the way it was done.)

So this is all really delusional.
 
Kooky

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
metis said:
According to a recent poll, 23% of Republicans consider themselves to be believers of Q-anon, and that cultish movement does indeed involve the overthrow of the government by Trump. And what's even worse and more threatening is that Republican congressional leaders won't denounce this, and neither will Trump.
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Now, let's be fair - a big part of Qanon's initial appeal among boomers was that it was, essentially a lazy man's conspiracy theory in that it didn't require its followers to do anything at all. In fact, one of its early core conceits was that there was a "plan" that clandestine forces within the government were working towards, and that people were only required to follow Q-drops and "trust the plan": The proper order of the world would restore itself naturally, without any intervention by well meaning activists. In a way, it was the ideal conspiracy for many people: To be "in" on it, all you had to do was follow occasional conversations in an internet forum, and otherwise do nothing at all.

The recent developments among the American nationalist movement, however, go much beyond that, and seem to be a step further up the ladder of escalation. The zealous core of the movement seems no longer content to simply "trust in the plan", but apparently are trying to find a way to force their nutty vision into becoming reality.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The only way a coup is justified is if the opponent is declared a domestic enemy.

Otherwise it's what a banana republic would do.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Stevicus said:
I don't know if the authorities would investigate this; it seems borderline.
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Prosecution would certainly fail.
He's approving such action, not calling for it.
However if that changes, he should be arrested & prosecuted.
It's a darn shame that Flynn's father didn't just
self pleasure instead on that seminal night.
The militaristic right has always tended to staunchly oppose any government which (in their view) makes America weaker or diminishes our strategic position in any way. They get it in their heads that they and they alone know what's best for America and that our national survival depends on their leadership.
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Biden has a hawkish record.
And I don't think he's weakening the military.
So he's safe enuf.
 
Stevicus

Stevicus

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Revoltingest said:
Biden has a hawkish record.
And I don't think he's weakening the military.
So he's safe enuf.
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Yeah, probably so. Biden was the safe candidate all along. If Bernie had gotten elected, it might have been a different story.
 
Kooky

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
Stevicus said:
Possibly. Even if there was a coup, would anyone even know it?
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Based on the situation in Myanmar, we may assume that it would start becoming fairly obvious as soon as somebody decided to do an outdoor dancing video.
 
amorphous_constellation

amorphous_constellation

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No offense, but it this kind of why I'm wary about memorial day.. The saying goes that we should 'support our troops.' But then it turns out that the myanmar thing is possible
 
amorphous_constellation

amorphous_constellation

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exchemist said:
The joke about this is that it was the military that made clear to Trump, in the dying days of his presidency, that it would uphold the Constitution and preserve democracy. (I was rather impressed with the way it was done.)
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You are referring to that moment, I think, where it said it wouldn't deploy to U.S. cities. That was an important piece of history I guess, but was that chance? The right generals were there to say no
 
Valjean

Valjean

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Twilight Hue said:
The only way a coup is justified is if the opponent is declared a domestic enemy.
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Various groups get declared domestic enemies all the time: refugees, "illegal aliens," liberals, antifa, the government, Muslims.... By this metric a coup would be justified every few weeks.

Otherwise it's what a banana republic would do.
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???? -- Banana republics are oppressed victims, are they not?
 
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