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Jonah and Jesus
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firedragon
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The point is, hellenisation and romanisation. Think about it.
MatthewA
Active Member
From my perspective, Jesus came to redeem mankind of what was lost in the Garden of Eden. Which was a direct relationship with God. It was lost, after humans decided not to listen to God. He allowed them to live and continue on in life though they did not have that close relationship with God anymore. Jesus Christ came, to teach everyone about the coming of the kingdom of God, and the way We can have connection with God through prayer, that even though this life is tough we can have confidence in trusting in God and Jesus Christ in faith. Jesus came and paid the price of sin, fulfilled the law of Moses, and defeated the works of the devil, overcame the grave/death being raised again by the Father.
The overall message is about a God whom created mankind and restored what was lost in the beginning, so that believers and have an open relationship with God in this life so instead of living by the flesh which by nature we are : greedy, hateful, lustful, jealous, selfish, and things like this; believers are given a spirit by God to have peace, joy, love, forgiveness, mercy, towards others.
That is all that has been made know the me which others might attest to or disagree with, am glad that everyone sins are forgiven that have made in this life, the only thing is not everyone believes that, so where does that leave them if they do not believe ? According to the Bible a state of unrest, always seeking and searching to find peace in this life, trying to find happiness which only momentary ; where joy can be found in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Those are some my thoughts and beliefs on the subject Rival.
The overall message is about a God whom created mankind and restored what was lost in the beginning, so that believers and have an open relationship with God in this life so instead of living by the flesh which by nature we are : greedy, hateful, lustful, jealous, selfish, and things like this; believers are given a spirit by God to have peace, joy, love, forgiveness, mercy, towards others.
That is all that has been made know the me which others might attest to or disagree with, am glad that everyone sins are forgiven that have made in this life, the only thing is not everyone believes that, so where does that leave them if they do not believe ? According to the Bible a state of unrest, always seeking and searching to find peace in this life, trying to find happiness which only momentary ; where joy can be found in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Those are some my thoughts and beliefs on the subject Rival.
Teritos
Active Member
Above all, they believed Jonah, who did no miracles at all. Here, too, faith is in the foreground.
Imagine an old man coming to your town and telling you that God will kill you if you don't repent. Everyone would call him a madman. But the people of Nineveh believed. And the faith justified them.
The point of Jesus is that he descended from heaven, died on the cross as a sin offering, and was raised on the third day. Here again faith plays an important role, who believes in it will live, who does not believe in it will die.
Jesus and Jonah were in Sheol for three days, and it would take 40 days for Nineveh to be destroyed. Jesus was crucified in 30 A.D., 40 years later, in 70 A.D., Jerusalem and the temple was destroyed. Jonah is also a shadow of Jesus.
Why is any of this necessary if we can repent without Jesus?
Teritos
Active Member
To repent means to believe in the gospel. Those who do not believe in it do not repent, because Jesus is the sin offering that can erase out sins. Thus, to reject the gospel is to retain sins. And whoever is burdened with sins has to pay for it, according to the Bible the price is death, eternal non-existence.
No it doesn't.
Teritos
Active Member
Then we have two different views.
Spirit of Light
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I know i am not a Christian but does not Repent means something like this?
Repentance is the activity of reviewing one's actions and feeling contrition or regret for past wrongs, which is accompanied by commitment to and actual actions that show and prove a change for the better.
Yes, that's it. Anyone from any religion can do it. One repents to one's God.
Teritos
Active Member
According to the Christian Greek lexicon Thayer, the word "repentance" means to change one's spirit. Whoever believes in the gospel has a new spirit, a new mind. All Christians have the Holy Spirit. But those who do not believe in it possess a different mind.
Definitions; that's what this boils down to.
In certain world views, words mean different things. When I think of the word "repent" I think of saying sorry and ask forgiveness. When christians think of "repent" they generally mean to humble one's self before god and surrender themselves.
As long as we can't agree on what words mean, we will never be able to understand where the other person is coming from, because we will be talking about two different things...
In certain world views, words mean different things. When I think of the word "repent" I think of saying sorry and ask forgiveness. When christians think of "repent" they generally mean to humble one's self before god and surrender themselves.
As long as we can't agree on what words mean, we will never be able to understand where the other person is coming from, because we will be talking about two different things...
Spirit of Light
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Can not "to change one`s spirit" means to change once way of living, so when doing something wrong according to the religious teaching one ask for forgivness and then change for ever how one act, speak or think?
MatthewA
Active Member
Repentance does mean to change your mind:
Here is the definition of Repent : According to Websters New World Dictionary College Edition 1984.
Repent (1) - 1. to feel sorry or self-reproachful for one has done or failed to do; be conscience-stricken or contrite (often with of)
2. to feel such regret or dissatisfaction over some past action, intention, ect. As to change one's mind about (often with of) [to repent of one's generosity]
3. to feel so contrite over one's sins as to change or decide to change ones ways; be penitent -
vt.
1. To feel sorry, self-reproachful, or contrite over (an error, sin, etc.)
2 to feel such regret or dissatifaction over as to change's one mind about [ to repent of ones kindness ]
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord does not delay and is not tardy or slow about what He promises, according to some people’s conception of slowness, but He is long-suffering (extraordinarily patient) toward you, not desiring that any should perish, but that all should turn to repentance.
The word repentance in the greek is this :
Strong's Concordance
metanoia: change of mind, repentance
Original Word: μετάνοια, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: metanoia
Phonetic Spelling: (met-an'-oy-ah)
Definition: change of mind, repentance
Usage: repentance, a change of mind, change in the inner man.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 3341 metánoia – literally, "a change of mind" ("after-thought"); repentance. See 3340 /metanoeō ("repent").
Here is the definition of Repent : According to Websters New World Dictionary College Edition 1984.
Repent (1) - 1. to feel sorry or self-reproachful for one has done or failed to do; be conscience-stricken or contrite (often with of)
2. to feel such regret or dissatisfaction over some past action, intention, ect. As to change one's mind about (often with of) [to repent of one's generosity]
3. to feel so contrite over one's sins as to change or decide to change ones ways; be penitent -
vt.
1. To feel sorry, self-reproachful, or contrite over (an error, sin, etc.)
2 to feel such regret or dissatifaction over as to change's one mind about [ to repent of ones kindness ]
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord does not delay and is not tardy or slow about what He promises, according to some people’s conception of slowness, but He is long-suffering (extraordinarily patient) toward you, not desiring that any should perish, but that all should turn to repentance.
The word repentance in the greek is this :
Strong's Concordance
metanoia: change of mind, repentance
Original Word: μετάνοια, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: metanoia
Phonetic Spelling: (met-an'-oy-ah)
Definition: change of mind, repentance
Usage: repentance, a change of mind, change in the inner man.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 3341 metánoia – literally, "a change of mind" ("after-thought"); repentance. See 3340 /metanoeō ("repent").
Teritos
Active Member
When someone believes in the gospel, his sins are erased and he lives a life that is pleasing to God.
Spirit of Light
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does that mean, no matter what you do it does matter? so you can kill and still go to heaven?
Teritos
Active Member
...and he lives a life that is pleasing to God.
Even the sins of a murderer who believes in the gospel will be erased and he will surely go to heaven. This is his right, no one can take this right away from him, not even God, otherwise God would be a liar.
MatthewA
Active Member
That is a very good question and very common. I would like to offer you this information about what was going on in history when the letters of the bible which have been collected and put forth together have said from what has been made known to me.
Back in Pauls day there was this thought process called Antinomianism:
Antinomianism (Ancient Greek: ἀντί, "against" and νόμος, "law") is any view which rejects laws or legalism and argues against moral, religious or social norms (Latin: mores), or is at least considered to do so. The term has both religious and secular meanings.
This the definition of the belief that was going back in Pauls day which is something that he warned again to the believing Christians in his writings.
Antinomiansim; thought is this ~ LETS JUST SIN SO GODS GRACE MAY ABOUND! LETS DO WHATEVER THE HELL WE WANT SO THAT GOD MAY GET THE GLORY.
~ What does paul say in interjection to this process of once accepting the Lord Jesus Christ what is the believers who have been justified by faith (Romans 5:1-5) to do?
In Romans Chapter 6 which is after explaining how one is justified by faith what we are to continue onward in doing as believer when eventually gets to chapter 8 and talks more about living by the spirit.
Anyway: Here is what Paul said in talking to the Christians believers who had people claiming Christ yet sinning like no tomorrow:
Romans 6:What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase?
2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?
3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?
4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his.
6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin—
7 because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.
2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?
3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?
4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his.
6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin—
7 because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Since i am not a Christian and do not know the teaching in the bible well, i have to say i do not understand this way of thinking.
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
The Bible says Jonah was in the fish for three days and three nights, The Bible says Jesus was in the tomb for three days and three nights. No one ever says that Jonah was only in the fish for a day and a half. People fight to the end to prove Jesus was only in the tomb for a day and a half.