Frank Goad
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If God is all powerful.Why did Jesus have to die on the cross for us and go through so much pain?Why didn't God make our salvation happen a different way?
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>I've just run a thread<, on this very question and with more than 400 replies already gone, I can tell you that no one has come up with an answer appropriate to a benevolent omnipotent God.If God is all powerful.Why did Jesus have to die on the cross for us and go through so much pain?Why didn't God make our salvation happen a different way?
If God is all powerful.Why did Jesus have to die on the cross for us and go through so much pain?Why didn't God make our salvation happen a different way?
Because we all need to find liberation through our own individual growth and effort. Jesus has nothing to do with that.If God is all powerful.Why did Jesus have to die on the cross for us and go through so much pain?Why didn't God make our salvation happen a different way?
I think you meant to say non-discriminatory.Hi,
Whatever means of salvation God chooses, there will always be someone questioning his decision. Nonetheless his reason for using this means of salvation is fully explained in the Bible doctrine of the ransom sacrifice (not necessarily church doctrines).
We should also keep in mind that God uses his power in a discriminatory fashion and that it is guided by love, wisdom and justice.
Additionally God determined that his power be limited by his own laws and principles.
He expects us to strive toward understanding Him, instead that we presume that He acts according to our way of thinking.
Hey hope you are well!I think you meant to say non-discriminatory.
If so, you can edit it, and I can give it a rating.
If the claim is made that humans are tainted with "original sin" and that this is because of the sinful conduct of Adam and Eve in Genesis' Garden story, then it seems proper to point out that Genesis' Garden story says NOTHING of the kind.You say the Tanakh doesn’t specifically mention “original sin”. Should it?
But it's sort of obvious that since (as is clearly stipulated) at all relevant times they were deliberately deprived of knowledge of good and evil, it was impossible for either of them to form an intention to do wrong, and therefore each was incapable of sin at the time each ate the fruit.It’s sort of obvious where it started: God told A&E, “don’t”, but they did anyway.
Ezekiel 28 refers to matters that simply aren't present in the Garden story. "Iniquity was found in you" ─ "you were filled with violence" ─ "so I cast you as a profane thing from the mountain of God" ─ "I cast you to the ground, I exposed you before kings" ─ "by the multitude of your iniquities and the unrighteousness of your trade you profaned your sanctuaries" "I brought forth fire from the midst of you; it consumed you, and I turned you to ashes upon the earth" ─ "all who know you among the people are appalled at you".It doesn’t specifically say who was behind the talking Serpent either. Only in Ezekiel 28, are we informed how a “cherub of Eden” became corrupt.
"Good" is what I think favors me, my family, my team, my society, the causes I believe in. (As a human I've evolved with a lot of moral tendencies appropriate to success as a gregarious primate; thus I'll favor child nurture and protection, fairness and reciprocity, respect for authority, loyalty to my group ─ and I'll dislike the one who harms.) "Bad" is what disadvantages those. "Evil" is bad,more specifically as the result of human intent. "Sin" I take it, is "evil" plus God's view that it's evil. Unfortunately, either God is a sinner, or (according to the bible) invasive war, massacre of populations, mass rape, human sacrifice, murderous religious prejudice, slavery, women as property (and more), are all "good" since God ordains them,What do you think sin is? It’s ‘missing the mark’, falling short of the standards set by Jehovah God.
I respectfully disagree. Adam and Eve were expelled from the Garden for the express purpose of preventing them from becoming immortal (Genesis 3:22-23 again); and that wouldn't have been necessary if they were already immortal.And physically too, our bodies ‘fall short of the mark.’ Jehovah created Adam & Eve perfect, as His children. The fact that, if they had stayed obedient, then they could’ve lived forever, is revealed in the Bible record of the long lives their immediate offspring enjoyed, even 7 generations later living over 900 years! But it gradually diminished, their genetic makeup getting further and further away from A & E’s perfect DNA
Oh. English.Hey hope you are well!
No, I think he meant ’discriminatory’ in another way, as in controlling oneself.
For example, we are discriminatory in how much strength we use in picking up a baby.....we don’t use all of our strength, we’d kill it!
Take care.
not only that.......God and heaven stood backIf God is all powerful.Why did Jesus have to die on the cross for us and go through so much pain?Why didn't God make our salvation happen a different way?
Original Sin is not a Jewish doctrine.Unlike Christianity and Judaism, Islam does not believe in original sin.
If God is all powerful.Why did Jesus have to die on the cross for us and go through so much pain?Why didn't God make our salvation happen a different way?
The Bible answers that question, but in my opinion it's better for you to find the answer for yourself.If God is all powerful.Why did Jesus have to die on the cross for us and go through so much pain?Why didn't God make our salvation happen a different way?
The Bible answers that question, but in my opinion it's better for you to find the answer for yourself.
I am willing to help, if you are willing to try.
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