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COVID-19 Vaccine: Can you talk about why you don't want it?

Will you be getting a Covid-19 vaccine?

  • Total voters
    28
Evangelicalhumanist

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
@Dave Watchman, @Deeje, and @Saint Frankenstein -- if you don't mind, I'll take my thoughts about your posts to another thread, which I will try to figure out how to start.

I hope you'll understand that I didn't want to turn this into a debate where we're all busy refuting each other -- but rather just to let people have their say unchallenged, the better to understand one another.

Thank you all for your contributions.
 
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Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Twilight Hue said:
I don't care for any level of mercury in my body if it can be helped.
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I'm curious about this, because fish is healthy to eat despite it leading to small amounts of mercury being consumed (and, indeed, eating large amounts of fish can lead to elevated levels of mercury, especially eating fish with higher amounts). So I'm trying to understand this, because it's not the first time I've heard this.
 
Evangelicalhumanist

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Just a note: at 10 votes in, we're 60/40 yes/no. If RF is representative of the real world, we will not be getting to herd immunity this year or next.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

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lovesong said:
Thank you, I appreciate the well-wishes. I really do want to get it - if they released any other version (nasal, patch, pill, etc) I would get it in a heartbeat. I'd also jump so fast on the opportunity if I found a doctor that was willing to help people like me. It's frustrating, because it isn't that they're not able to, my dentist is able to, but that they're not willing to take the little bit of time needed to help people like me get it. I'm even willing to pay out of pocket for the time I'd need to be taking up a chair. I'm definitely on the severe end of the phobia spectrum, but there are many others out there who won't get it out of fear and no other reason, so if doctors were a little more willing to help us, it would help everyone big time in the long run. I really can't express how mad I am at how the medical industry handles phobia in general. That could be a whole rant-threat of its own. Maybe if a psychiatrist gets my back I can strong-arm them into letting me get it.

I know I will need it eventually. My best friend has an autoimmune disorder, I desperately want to travel again, and I'm in school. All of those things require it. I just don't know how I can. It really does just feel like my life is over, and it's killing me (sorry, don't mean to get emotional).
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It's entirely different reasons, but I get the providers not wanting to work with you. There's obviously some people looking for attention and looking for pills and a high, bit then there are those who have actual needs. Mine revolve around my knee (too young), and at that dentist where we gingers are prone issues as we tend to be more sensitive to pain and need more anesthesia. I've been to one dentist where everything from my neck down was curled up, because the rest don't believe me when I said I can feel the pokers and scrapers, and feel the injections and some of the work being done. (this one dentist though asked me how I do with pain and before I could answer asked "you probably need an extra shot of novacain to get you through this, don't you?" I was so happy to hear that I felt like crying)
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I got mine because of all the health crap i have going on, and because the odds with the vaccine is significantly in your favor over facing covid without.
Seems like a "flying vs driving" thing when it comes to safety, where clearly one option is vastly superior for increasing your odds of having a better outcome.
 
Valjean

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I've had both injections.
Generally I'm mistrustful of new medications, given the number of recalls here in the States. Every day I see adds for new medications to treat various real or invented maladies (yes, pharmaceuticals are advertised on TV here). A few years later I see adds offering legal help for those damaged by some of those same meds (yes, lawyers advertise here, too).

In the case of Covid vaccines, though, the risk from the infection -- to myself and to others I come in contact with -- outweighs the risk of untoward effects from the vaccine
The vaccine contains no attenuated viruses, nor does it alter body chemistry or physiology like ordinary pharmaceuticals, it just marshals the body's own immune system by one of the same mechanisms the body confronts every day.
 
F

F1fan

Veteran Member
Evangelicalhumanist said:
I have had my first dose of the Astra-Zeneca vaccine. I took that one because it was the one available to me earliest, and I am looking forward to my second dose.

I chose to be vaccinated because the risk of Covid-19 harming me (at 73) is thousands of times larger than the risk of the vaccine doing me any harm, and also because I am desperate to have my world open up again so that I can go out, have a beer and wings, and socialize with friends.
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I got both of my shots. My second was two weeks ago. I had a pretty good reaction. As an athlete I've felt good ever since with the same performance.

Most i know are getting vaccinated. There are a few who are very right wing who refuse. They don't offer reasons that are fact based.
 
Brickjectivity

Brickjectivity

wind and rain touch not this brain
Staff member
Premium Member
lovesong said:
Thank you, I appreciate the well-wishes. I really do want to get it - if they released any other version (nasal, patch, pill, etc) I would get it in a heartbeat. I'd also jump so fast on the opportunity if I found a doctor that was willing to help people like me. It's frustrating, because it isn't that they're not able to, my dentist is able to, but that they're not willing to take the little bit of time needed to help people like me get it. I'm even willing to pay out of pocket for the time I'd need to be taking up a chair. I'm definitely on the severe end of the phobia spectrum, but there are many others out there who won't get it out of fear and no other reason, so if doctors were a little more willing to help us, it would help everyone big time in the long run. I really can't express how mad I am at how the medical industry handles phobia in general. That could be a whole rant-threat of its own. Maybe if a psychiatrist gets my back I can strong-arm them into letting me get it.

I know I will need it eventually. My best friend has an autoimmune disorder, I desperately want to travel again, and I'm in school. All of those things require it. I just don't know how I can. It really does just feel like my life is over, and it's killing me (sorry, don't mean to get emotional).
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I always feel nervous, have some adrenaline ahead of any shot. As I walk in and wait its like I'm on a roller coaster going click click click up to the first position in the air and about to drop.
 
Heyo

Heyo

Veteran Member
lovesong said:
I'm 100% pro-vaccine and would, theoretically, like to get it. Unfortunately it doesn't look like I will any time soon though. I have a very severe clinical phobia to medical needles (and a few other specific medical things). It's so severe that knowing people close to me interacted with medical needles, or even typing this post make me very uncomfortable and a bit jittery. I cannot be in a room with a medical needles, and can have a full panic attack just thinking about them for long enough. I have to be fully sedated to the point of being blacked out (like blackout drunk but with sedatives, functionally unconscious) to have basic dental work because of the novocaine needles. To date I have not found a medical facility willing to let me get sedated enough for shots. The two shots I've had to get in the last few years were only small under the skin ones, and it was a multi-day ordeal of no sleep, crying for hours a day, complete inability to do anything whatsoever, and nightmares for a few weeks, and that's on top of the sedatives they will let me have. This one is intramuscular, so I have no idea how I can possibly get it. I know I will need to for school, and I've already had a good share of meltdowns over the thought, but I just don't know how it's going to happen. I'm going to keep calling places and trying to make deals. I'm also working on involving psychiatry to see if they can help me get knocked out for this nightmare.

But that's why I have no plans to get it (or any other vaccine) unless it becomes mandatory for me, and even then I would absolutely consider quitting if they couldn't make some accommodation. These last few months of it being everywhere in the news and people's conversations has felt like a constant waking nightmare and I haven't felt safe, even in my own home, for a while, because there's nowhere where I can escape it. Learned a lot about how people view me/my situation too.
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Vaxart COVID-19 Oral Vaccine

There will be vaccination without needles, no need to panic yet.
 
Heyo

Heyo

Veteran Member
Evangelicalhumanist said:
I've just seen a poll that suggests that fully 41% of Republicans plan to refuse to be vaccinated against Covid-19. Now, the science suggests that this will surely make Covid-19 (and increasingly more variants) an ongoing problem for years to come, simply because the ability to reach "herd immunity" will be put at risk.

I have no doubt that many who don't want the vaccine have what they feel are very good reasons for their hesitancy, and perhaps if those reasons could be successfully answered (answered in a way that people can actually buy into), more people might opt to go for it. And that could, very likely, be of benefit to the entire nation.

So, a question for all of you who don't want to be vaccinated: Can you provide one or two reasons, in your own words why not? I considered adding a bunch of options to the poll, but then I'd be leading you by the nose.

So, if you answer the poll with a simple choice, getting it or not, and then add a short comment saying why or why not -- in your own words?

And please, in this thread, don't try to ridicule the reasons given by other members -- let's just try to learn something, here.
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Had my first shot AstraZeneca 2 weeks ago. I choose Astra because I can make rational risk assessments which seems to be a rare trait. The (rational) downside is that the boost shot is best 12 weeks after the first, which means that I have to wait longer for the benefits of being fully vaccinated than people with an irrational fear of blood clots. But that may change as we're having a discussion to give the benefits to Astra vaccinated people after the first shot (plus a short waiting period).
 
RestlessSoul

RestlessSoul

Well-Known Member
I had my first jab, 2nd is coming on May 29th. I had it because here in the U.K. it’s administered by the National Health Service, which I love and trust. If I lived in a country where healthcare was entirely profit driven, I might be more cynical tbh.
 
fantome profane

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Dave Watchman said:
I wonder how you felt when they stopped offering first doses of it in Ontario?
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I am in the same situation as @Evangelicalhumanist, I got my first shot of AstraZeneca about four weeks ago. And I can tell you I feel a little bit frustrated at the lack of decision by the Ontario gov about the second shot. Trudeau will get a second shot of AZ, and so will Ford. So why can’t I?

I suspect that by the time I am ready for my second shot they will be approved again, but I would like to know for sure.
 
stvdv

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Evangelicalhumanist said:
And please, in this thread, don't try to ridicule the reasons given by other members -- let's just try to learn something, here.
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Thanks for that part
Better would be to not "just try"
But actually stop ridiculing others' reasons

Jesus' advice is still hard for most
"Thou shall not judge"

If they just would add "IMHO"
Just as per RF Rules, it would be fine
But esp. this they seem unable to say
 
stvdv

stvdv

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Saint Frankenstein said:
No, because I don't want it and I'm not going to rush to inject myself with something I don't trust in a climate of hysteria and panic.
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I fully agree. Perfectly phrased. Short, correct and usefull.

I would like to add: Goverments and WHO etc have been spreading obvious lies, misinformation, fear and anxiety. Now it feels to me that they are trying to manipulate and control us (in an unhealthy way) even using 'force'. This doesn't make me trust them nor motivate me to take it; more the opposite

Note: To be clear, I just shared my personal opinion, because the OP asked for it. I don't ask nor need others' their advice

Note:
Others should take the vaccine if they feel they need it. I am pro vaccination in general.

But I am strongly against Adarmic actions, which I have seen happening just too much in the past 18 month in relation to covid, to digest this covid shot in the moment.

But if Government and WHO have their facts straight and they gained my trust, and if covid is still there, then I might take the vaccine also.

Or if I feel there is the need to take it, I will take it also
 
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Dave Watchman

Dave Watchman

Active Member
Deeje said:
In Australia, cases are low and to me the risk of getting the virus has to be compared with the risk of clotting with the AZ vaccine, which is all that is available here.
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Australians ‘sitting ducks for Covid virus’ as only 1% fully jabbed

Australia’s vaccination drive has been met by widespread public reluctance to get jabbed, with only 1 per cent of the population fully inoculated, it emerged yesterday.

Twelve weeks into the programme the slow uptake has prompted doctors to warn that Australians were “sitting ducks” for the virus.

Australians ‘sitting ducks for Covid virus’ as only 1% fully jabbed | News | The Times​



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Evangelicalhumanist

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
fantome profane said:
I am in the same situation as @Evangelicalhumanist, I got my first shot of AstraZeneca about four weeks ago. And I can tell you I feel a little bit frustrated at the lack of decision by the Ontario gov about the second shot. Trudeau will get a second shot of AZ, and so will Ford. So why can’t I?

I suspect that by the time I am ready for my second shot they will be approved again, but I would like to know for sure.
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I have seen recent hints that approval will be coming in a matter of days now...Toronto Star has an inside line on that. Of course, things change hour-by-hour, but let's keep our fingers crossed.
 
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