This is the hypocrisy of so many on this issue -- the insistance on the "right to life" but once the little critter is born, the absolute disregard for what the friggin heck happens to it. Gotta love the religious right -- not!
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6 Weeks
- Thread starter The Hammer
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Yup, nailed it.
What is life? How is that different from a 'human life'. And for non-atheists, when does the soul enter the fetus?
My belief is that the soul enters the fetus not at conception but around viability.
But if you believe abortion is murder, then you MUST treat murder the same legally no matter the age or birth status of the victim. And that murder would be premeditated so it's murder 1 with all the penalties that apply to first degree murder.
If you're not willing to do that, you don't really consider abortion murder.
Yup. The Catholic Church's position is not one I endorse but they're consistent.
The article in my OP is about legislation that removes that choice, that's the whole point of my OP.
This literally makes me want to vomit. I swear the country is just going backwards at this point. Establishment clause my a*s.
Bear Wild
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Cant you find another state to to pick on. I mean really, Texas has had such bad publicity. I mean just because our governor blamed green energy for the power loss in the Texas Deep Freeze when it really was Natural Gas that shut down should not reflect on the state of Texas. Ok he said the wind mill freeze ignoring the fact they didn't and even Iowa's still work in freezing conditions is just a simple mistake. Then to say Texas needs to depend on more natural gas is well um. Just forget the governor said that. We have much more intelligent representative than the our governor who tried to suppress the votes form Houston and deny the presidential election. After all we have Ted Cruz who was smart enough to party in Cancun when Texan's froze. Then blame in on his children. That is clear intelligence. Oh and even with the insurrection into the capital Ted Cruz continued to stand up for the right radicals and deny the fact that the republican run government stated the election was accurate. He even told us he is the supreme expert on the constitution. Oh and do not forget Texas's attorney general that denied the election. Ok forget him.
Oh I know!!!! Representative Green is not from the state of Texas.
I'm generally opposed to abortion and I'm against this, too. The main thing that bothers me, in terms of what is banned, is that there's no exceptions for medical reasons or rape/incest. I do believe abortion is taking a human life but even I'm not going to force a 13 year old girl who was raped by a relative to have the child. Pregnancies also sadly just sometimes fail and I'm not going to make a mother die along with the child. The issue is very complex and both sides take things too far.
You guys apparently want to be your own brand of FL. Gunna start seeing TX Man running around lol.
As always, I recommend reading Judith Jarvis Thomson's moral reasoning when it comes to abortion:
Judith Jarvis Thomson: A Defense of Abortion
No one should be forced to have their own body used against their will to keep someone else alive, IMO. We wouldn't tolerate it under any other circumstance, but somehow when pregnancy is involved we expect people with uteruses to have their bodily autonomy violated for the sake of keeping someone else alive.
Judith Jarvis Thomson: A Defense of Abortion
No one should be forced to have their own body used against their will to keep someone else alive, IMO. We wouldn't tolerate it under any other circumstance, but somehow when pregnancy is involved we expect people with uteruses to have their bodily autonomy violated for the sake of keeping someone else alive.
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
That's just another way to control humanity, imposing more rules and restrictions. Christanity influance in USA is stronger then I thought
And this is just the start. Let's see in 2 or 4 years how much of democracy and freedom is lost.
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
I do not know anything about a soul entering a body. The Bible says that when God breathed life into Adam, the lifeless body BECAME a living soul. Nothing about a soul entering the body. And that same word that is translated as "soul" is also translated as beast or creature or animal.
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
The Bible has absolutely no problem with premeditated killings or even wholesale genocide, and says very little about prematurely ending births, so I find it curious that people are singling out abortions as the one big issue of their faith here, almost as if it would be inconvenient to condemn widespread killings in the name of their god and their country, whereas brutalizing womenfolk has been such a tried-and-true trope for the self appointed moral apostles of the world that it doesn't even bear much argueing.
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
Wiki has a great many articles written by people who are simply publishing their own beliefs and ideas. I trust the Bible more than Wiki.
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
It forces women into unwanted pregnancies.
There's nothing ethical about your point of view on this issue. Not if your point of view is about when you'd allow others to get an abortion.
When I heard this news, it reminded me that this is a country
run by lawyers for lawyers. If they can't make something
illegal, they can at least open the door for lawsuits (torts).
Meritless suits, eg, SLAPP suits, make millions for lawyers,
& allow people to harrass each other by forcing them to
spend money in defense. Court is not cheap, & the richer
party can spend the poorer party into the ground.
Lawyers & judges....they need Harkonnen style heart plugs.
It suddenly occurs to me that if we accept the claim that a fetus or embryo is a person, abortion could be justified under Texas's "stand your ground" law at any stage of pregnancy.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Are you prepared to pay extra tax to provide for free medication, full education to degree level and subsistence to adulthood for all rape children?