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Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
I don't see my country being useful in calming this
conflict. We support Israel financially & militarily,
yet we exercise very little influence. Biden is only
showing some concern because he'd otherwise
risk political losses.
We even stop the UN from exercising influence.
Something else....something worse will likely
force positive change there, eg, war expanding
to include Russia, Iran, & China. (Ameristan has
been chomping at the bit to attack Iran openly.)

If only Israel would stop taking land from Muslims,
& treat them fairly, they'd all be so much better off.
Empathy for the other tribe is key. They need it.
I do believe the Western world and world in general need more people like you as leaders.
So world will be in justice.And no more wars or violence
 

Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
Staff member
Premium Member
I've long rejected the argument that Israel can take land from
Palestinians & Arabs because Muslims have so much land
elsewhere. God's Chosen People endured Nazis...it's a tired
& failed excuse to take land & brutalize all who resist theft.

This obsession with being victims reminds me of a song
from "My Crazy Ex Girlfriend". Always invoke Hitler....
I view it as a political maneuver to get some final resolution to the conflict -- to get West Bank and Gaza to sign paper. Egypt signed a treaty in exchange for the Sinai peninsula. Land is something that makes treaties happen. The dispute is about land, so threatening to take more land over time applies pressure to sign. Whereas not taking land results only in more missiles lobbed over the borders, and its those lobbed projectiles which justify retaliation. I certainly wouldn't stand by if people were lobbing bombs at my neighborhood.

Israel isn't going to disappear, not with nuclear weapons
& the full force of fervent Christian & Jewish allies of
Israel running Ameristan.
The evangelicals are fickle friends in this, like when someone gushes with emotion momentarily and then forgets. The idea of Jesus returning in Israel keeps getting pushed forward in time, and the story keeps changing about when that is. There can be a time and soon when the US sends forces into Israel. They are not safe, and I have said before that Israelis should consider the evangelical interest to be dangerous and unhealthy. What seems like support today can turn into a controlling interest tomorrow.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I view it as a political maneuver to get some final resolution to the conflict -- to get West Bank and Gaza to sign paper. Egypt signed a treaty in exchange for the Sinai peninsula. Land is something that makes treaties happen. The dispute is about land, so threatening to take more land over time applies pressure to sign. Whereas not taking land results only in more missiles lobbed over the borders, and its those lobbed projectiles which justify retaliation. I certainly wouldn't stand by if people were lobbing bombs at my neighborhood.
No one here is saying that Israel should "stand by".
That's a false alternative.
What Israel should do is curb their practices that inspire
violence, eg, stealing land, apartheid, the mass killings.
The evangelicals are fickle friends in this, like when someone gushes with emotion momentarily and then forgets. The idea of Jesus returning in Israel keeps getting pushed forward in time, and the story keeps changing about when that is. There can be a time and soon when the US sends forces into Israel. They are not safe, and I have said before that Israelis should consider the evangelical interest to be dangerous and unhealthy. What seems like support today can turn into a controlling interest tomorrow.
I won't worry about the political ramifications of Jesus
returning until he actually shows up, sandals & all.
 

Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
Staff member
Premium Member
No one here is saying that Israel should "stand by".
That's a false alternative.
What Israel should do is curb their practices that inspire
violence, eg, stealing land, apartheid, the mass killings.
Israel cannot cave to pressure to dissolve into a non Jewish state and cannot absorb the populations of Gaza and West Bank, but it can sign a treaty with them. It can sign a treaty of non aggression if they can control their missile problem. Until then it is standing by, and it will continue to annex land in small amounts until a peace treaty is signed. We can call them apartheid if we want to, call them responsible or whatever. It doesn't change that their existence is being challenged and has been since 67.

I won't worry about the political ramifications of Jesus
returning until he actually shows up, sandals & all.
Your interest is in getting the US out of the situation, and I agree with that interest. All I'm saying is that you're wrong to think USA will always be behind Israel. We will not.
 
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