The Truth About God.

Jehovah God the Father was the one whom descended a became Man.
The trinity which the present Christian church has embraced and brought into its faith, is that God the Father begat a Son from eternity,and that the Holy Spirit then went forth from both,and that each one of Himself is a God.
Human minds can conceive of this trinity only as a triarchy, like the government of three kings in one kingdom, or of three generals over one army,or of three masters in one household, all possessing an equal power.

From this what but destruction could ensue?Or if one wishes to figure or shadow forth this triarchy before his mind's sight, and at the same time the unity of its members, he can present it to contemplation only as a god with three heads on one body, or as three bodies under one head.

In such a monstrous image must the trinity appear to those who believe that there are three Divine persons each by Himself God, and who join these into one God, but deny that God, because He is one, is therefore one person.

That a Son of God begotten from eternity descended and assumed a Human may be compared to the fables of the ancients, that human souls created at the beginning of the world enter into bodies and become men; also to the absurd notion that the soul of one person passes into another, as many in the Jewish church believed.

For example, that the soul of Elijah would pass into the body of John the Baptist, and that David would return into his own or into some other man's body, and rule over Israel and Judah, because it is said in Ezekiel:
I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even My servant David; and he shall be their shepherd and I Jehovah will be to them as God, and David a prince among them (34:23,24)

Jehovah God meant Himself when He said in (Ezekiel 34:23,24),He would set up one shepherd over them. He was the one Shepherd under the name Jesus Christ in a Human Form. The Human Form Jehovah God put on was the Son of God.

The saying of Jesus:
Jesus said: "I am come from God" (John 8:42).

"The Son can do nothing of Himself, but what he seeth the Father do". (John 5:19)

At the Lord's baptism a voice from heaven was heard to say: "This is My beloved Son in whom I am well pleased." ("Matt. 3:17)

The Lord also said: "My Father is greater than I." (John 14:28).

"No man cometh unto the Father but by Me." (John 14:6) On the cross Jesus said: "Father, forgive them ..." (Luke 23:34), and "My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?" (Matt. 27:46)

Also, after the resurrection, the Lord said to the disciples, "Teach all nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father , and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." (Matt. 28:19) In this last passage,not only does it seem that the Father and the Son are distinct, but also that there is yet a third Divine Person or Being, the Holy Spirit.

If we were to consult only such passages as these, and ignore all the others that seem to conflict with them, we might come to the conclusion that God is in three Persons. This is extremely puzzling to anyone of a reflective turn of mind, because his common sense tells him that there simply cannot be three Divine Persons, or three Divine Beings because this is the same as saying that there can be three Infinities of three Gods. The task of uniting three distinct Divinities into one God is a forlornly hopeless task.

Harry

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And as for debating..Q and others like yourselves will make a statement or a denial but NEVER post any other works that might support your side.

I've not made any claims in which direct evidence is required. I've questioned the claims of others like yourself who have yet to provide any evidence.

If I've stated or denied something, it would be based on logic and rationale or probably just simple common knowledge.

Would you prefer I cited sources for common knowledge?

Spiritual Son (Harry)

This is a forum for debate, not preaching. If you wish to preach to the masses, there are other forums here for that purpose.

This is not one of them.

ONEWAY--

1. The Old Testament prophecies are often EXTREMELY vague...I'm very skeptical of any attempted measurement of the likelihood of fulfilling them.

Much of whether or not the New Testament fulfills the prophecies is based on
A) how much you trust the New Testament authors and the historicity of their writings. Let me point out that the authors contradict each other in numerous places on key points, and Matthew clearly has an agenda to write anything that will make Jesus appear to fulfill the prophesies even if it is inaccurate--the Catholic Church generally agrees with me here.

B) whether or not OT prophecies are meant metaphorically or literally

C) how much you trust the council of Constantine and subsequent translations and how they recorded the OT and New T. Also, as you've already admitted, the New Testament does not fulfill every prophecy. Now why would some prophesies be fulfilled and not others?

D) The assumption that Jesus was unaware of the prophecies or could not have purposely done/said things that he knew fulfilled them....this is a HUGE assumption.

2. I would not disagree that there is important knowledge of ancient civilizations to be gained from the Bible. However, the purpose of the authors in the Bible is spiritual truth, not historical or scientific truth. That is even the view of the Catholic Church.

Even if the philosophy of the New Testament is relatively consistent, the only thing that indicates is that a religious man named Jesus existed and that his followers accurately remember his general philosophy. This is not surprising, and has nothing to do with the historical reliability of the Bible.

The fact that the Hittites were mentioned in the Bible and were a real civilization means that the Bible was right about the Hittites--it doesn't give validity to the entire Bible though, because much of the Bible has already been shown to be factually inaccurate (though some of it like the names of places and people is accurate I agree--many dates are inaccurate though). Just because not everything was made up doesn't mean it's all accurate.

Here's one of MANY innaccuracies: The Gospel of Matthew says that Joseph's father is Jacob; Luke says Joseph's father is Heli.

3. I'm not sure what you're saying here...I thought Plato and Homer, for example, lived and died long before Jesus came around.

4. That doesn't prove the validity of the New Testament...just that many people copied it down. I'll bet if we lost all the copies, we could recontruct other ancient texts from other sources also.

5. Telling me that believing in Christianity is a choice would be like telling you that believing in Santa is a choice, and that not beleiving in Santa is a "bad choice". You may think the only way to be saved is to accept your religion....and millions of Muslims think the only way you can be saved is to accept THEIR religion. Once you realize the subjectivity of religious beliefs in general, perhaps you will be more open to healthy questioning of your own beleifs.....for only through questioning can one's faith grow.

The spiritual sense is in all things of the Word, and in every single particular of it. This cannot be better seen than by examples, such as the following. John says in Revelation:
I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse, and He that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns, and He had a name written that no man knew but He Himself, and He was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood, and His name is called the Word of God. And His armies in heaven followed Him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And He hath on His vesture and on His thigh a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords. And I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried with a loud voice, Come and gather yourselves together to the great supper, that ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, and small and great (Rev. 19:11-18).

What these things signify cannot be known except from the spiritual sense of the Word, and no one can know the spiritual sense except from a knowledge of correspondences, for all the above words are correspondences,and not one word there is without meaning.

The knowledge of correspondences teaches what is signified by the white horse, what by Him who sat on it , what by His eyes that were as a flame of fire, what by the crowns that were upon His head, what by His vesture dipped in blood, what by the white linen in which they were clothed who were of His army in heaven, what by the angel standing in the sun, what by the great supper to which they should come and gather themselves, and what by the flesh of kings, and captains, and others, which they should eat.

The signification of each of these things in the spiritual sense may be seen in White Horse, where they are explained, so that it is unnecessary to explain them further here.

In that little work it has been shown that the Lord in respect to the Word is here described; and that by His eyes which were as a flame of fire, and by the crowns that were upon His head, and by the name that no one knew but He Himself, is meant the spiritual sense of the Word, and that no one can know it but the Lord Himself and he to whom He wills to reveal it; and also that by His vesture dipped in blood is meant the natural sense of the Word, which is the sense of its letter, to which violence has been done. That it is the Word which is thus described is very evident, for it is said "His name is called the Word of God".

What it is the Lord who is meant is equally clear, for it is said that the name of Him who sat on the white horse was written, King of kings and Lord of lords.

That at the end of the church the spiritual sense of the Word is to be opened is signified not only by what is said of the white horse and of Him who rode on it, but also by the great supper to which the angel standing in the sun invited all to come, and to eat the flesh of kings and of captains, of mighty men, of horses, and of them that sat on them, and of all both free and bond.

All these expressions would be empty words and devoid of spirit and life, unless there were what is spiritual within them, like soul in body.

Harry

Rev.12
Verse 7. "And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels fought with the dragon, and the dragon fought and his angels," signifies the falsities of the former church fighting against the truths of the New Church.

There's two ways of explaining this.

1.This war is temptations that are going on inside the person(internally), between the truth of the New Church and the falsities of the former church the person once believe in.

2,Or an outside war between the doctrine of the Christian Churches,which the doctrine of three Divine persons and the doctrine of the New Church,which the doctrine of one God under the Human Form.

The woman in Rev.12:1 represents the New Church,and the child she was about to give birth too,represents its doctrine.

Harry

Harry-- You're using a circular argument of assumptions based on assumptions confirmed by assumptions.

Your first assumption is that the Bible was divinely inspired, and all your arguments are built off of that. But when we ask you to back up that assumption, you use quotes from the Bible....but the only way those quotes can back up your assumption is if we have ALREADY assumed those quotes were divinely inspired.

Ceridwen018 said:

Yes Harry, you are right, I do not believe in god-- although there was a time when I was very religious. For the sake of this debate, pretend like you're trying to convert me back (if that's not what you genuinely want to do, which would be fine also, hehe)

And on that note, my question: How do you know that god is 'love' and 'wisdom'? More importantly, how do you know he is divine?

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Jehovah God is Divine because all good and truth is from Him. There was no trinity at time of creation.Their teach in the Catholic Church that was a trinity of persons before creation,but that is false. Jehovah God Himself took on Human Form under the name Jesus Christ.

There are places in the Old Testament where those who don't believe in God complain about.That because they don't understand what is written in the Word.
As in Jeremiah:
Truth is perished and is cut off from their mouth. Cut off the hair of thy Naziriteship,and cast it away (Jer. 7:28-29).

In Isaiah:
In that day shall the Lord shave with a razor that is hired in the passages of the river, through the king of Assyria, the head, and the hair of the feet; and shall also consume the beard (Isa. 7:20).

In Micah:
Make thee bald,and shave thee on account of the sons of thy deliciousnesses, enlarge thy baldness as the eagle, because they have migrated from thee (Micah 1:16).

Nor can he know what holiness is involved in that which is related of Elijah, in that he was a hairy man, and girt with a girdle of skin about his loins (2 Kings 1:8) nor why the children who called Elisha bald were torn by she-bears out of the wood (2 Kings 2:23, 24).

Put on baldness, and shave thee on account of the sons of thy delights, and enlarge thy baldness, for they are gone into exile from thee (Micah 1:16).

By Elijah and by Elisha was represented the Lord as to the Word, thus by them was represented the Word, specifically the prophetic Word, as may be seen in what is prefaced to the eighteenth chapter of Genesis.

The "hairiness" and the "girdle of skin" signified the literal sense, a "hairy man" this sense in respect to truths, and a "girdle of skin" about the loins this sense in respect to goods.

For the literal sense of the Word is its natural sense, because it is from the things in the world; and the internal sense is the spiritual sense, because it is from the things in heaven.

These two senses are circumstanced as are the internal and external of man; and because there is no internal without an external, for the external is the ultimate of order in which the internal subsists, therefore it was a reproach against the Word to call Elisha bald, implying that it is devoid of an external, thus that the Word has no sense that is adapted to the apprehension of man.

From all this it is evident that all the details of the Word are holy; but the holiness therein is not apparent to the understanding, except that of one who knows its internal sense; nevertheless by influx from heaven it comes to the perception of him who believes the Word to be holy.

This influx is effected through the internal sense in which the angels are; and although this sense is not understood by the man, still it affects him, because the affection of the angels who are in it is communicated.

From this it is plain also that the Word has been given to man in order that he may have communication with heaven, and that the Divine Truth which is in heaven may affect him by means of the influx.

The children were kill by two she bears because their were marking the Word. By Elijah and by Elisha was represented the Lord as to the Word. Those who don't believe in God complain why this happen.

They say how can a God who all love allow two bears to come out of the woods and kill forty two children?

Why complain about something that you don't believe in? When you complain about God, than you must believe in Him.

Harry

Since you have not build up any false ideas about God as the Christians did, therefore I will make the truth known to you.

The Christian church believes that God is in three Divine persons. God is not in three Divine persons.

The Holy Spirit being the third person is false.The Lord Himself is the Holy Spirit, because He teaches and leads us. He is the Word. What is meant by the Father,Son and Holy Spirit in the Lord is that there are three attributes which proceed from one God, Creation, Redemption and Regeneration, and that these are the attributes of one God. Jehovah God who is one in Person and in Essence,is the Creator,Redeemer and Regenerator.

In full agreement with this, in the New Testament we find the Lord Jesus Christ saying to the multitude "I and the Father are ONE" -- not two, but one; and He did not say anything about one in purpose, or anything like that. He said simply ONE. In any case, his audience made no mistake about his meaning (the only possible meaning); they took up stones to stone Him, and when asked why they do so, their reply was: "Because that Thou being a Man, maketh Thyself God." It is interesting that the Jewish Church which rejected Him could see what He was saying - but the Christian Church which accepted Him, has not fully known Him.

The Son of God is Jehovah's Human Form that He put on. That's why the Son of God said,"My Father and I are one." The Father was the soul of Jesus Christ.

Harry

It is impossible for the Divine Esse and Existere in itself to produce another Divine which is Esse and Existere in itself.

Therefore another God of the same Essence is impossible. The other Divine Esse and Existere in itself is the son of God that was invented by the church at the Council of Nicene in the year 325AD. Three divine persons from eternity was invented that day. There must had been bunch of parrots trying to find out what the Word was saying. When reason is asleep it can still force the mouth to speak like a parrot. When reason is put to sleep, can the speech which comes from the mouth be anything but lifeless? If the mouth says one thing and the reason goes a different way and disagrees, speech must inevitably be foolish. Like the Christians saying one God with the mouth,but their minds thinks of three. The mouth saids one thing and the mind saids another.

It has been shown already that the one God who is the Creator of the universe, is Esse and Existere in itself, that is, God in Himself; and from this it follows that God from God is impossible, because in such a being the verily essential Divine, which is Esse and Existere in itself, is impossible. It is the same whether you say "begotten of God" or "proceeding from God;" it means, in either case, produced by God, and this differs but little from being created.

Therefore, to introduce into the church a belief in three Divine persons each of whom singly is God, and of the same essence, one of them born from eternity, and a third proceeding from eternity, is to destroy the idea of God's unity, and with it every idea of Divinity, and so cause all the spirituality of reason to be driven into exile.

Then man is man no longer, but is so wholly natural as to differ from a beast only in the power of speech, and is opposed to all the spiritual things of the church, for these the natural man calls foolishness. This is the source and only source from which have sprung the monstrous heresies concerning God; and thus the division of the Divine trinity into persons has introduced into the church not night alone but death as well.

Harry

Mr Spinkles

Harry isn't here to debate or discuss anything - he is here to preach.

My name is Harry.I am a member of the New Church (Swedenborg).

The entire Holy Scripture, and all the doctrines therefrom of the churches in the Christian world, teach that there is a God and that He is one. The entire Holy Scripture teaches that there is a God, because in its inmosts it is nothing but God, that is, it is nothing but the Divine that goes forth from God; for it was dictated by God.

From God nothing can go forth except what is God and is called Divine. This the Holy Scripture is in its inmosts. But in its derivatives, which are below and from these inmosts, the Holy Scripture is adapted to the perception of angels and men.

The Divine is likewise in these derivatives, but in another form, in which it is called the celestial, spiritual, and natural Divine. These are simply the draperies of God.

For God Himself, such as He is in the inmosts of the Word, cannot be seen by any creature. For He said to Moses, when Moses prayed that he might see the glory of Jehovah, that no one can see God and live. This is equally true of the inmosts of the Word, where God is in His very Being and Essence.

Nevertheless, the Divine, which forms the inmost and is draped by things adapted to the perceptions of angels and men, beams forth like light through crystalline forms, although variously in accordance with the state of mind that man has formed for himself; either from God or from himself.

Before everyone who has formed the state of his mind from God the Holy Scripture stands like a mirror wherein he sees God.But everyone in his own way. This mirror is made up of those truths that man learns from the Word, and that he appropriates by living in accordance with them.

From all this it is evident, in the first place, that the Holy Scripture is the fullness of God.

That the Holy Scripture teaches not only that there is a God, but also that God is one,not three, can be seen from the truths which, as before stated, compose that mirror, in that they form a coherent whole and make it impossible for man to think of God except as one.

In consequence of this, every person whose reason is imbued with any sanctity from the Word knows, as if from himself, that God is one,not three, and feels it to be a sort of insanity to say that there are more god.

The angels are unable to open their lips to utter the word "gods," for the heavenly aura in which they live resists it. That God is one the Holy Scripture teaches, not only thus universally, as has been said, but also in many particular passages, as in the following:
Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah (Deut. 6:4; also Mark 12:29).
Surely God is in thee, and beside Me there is no god (Isa. 45:14).
Am not I Jehovah? and there is no god besides me? (Isa. 45:21).
I am Jehovah thy God and thou shalt acknowledge no god beside Me (Hosea 13:4).

Thus saith Jehovah, the king of Israel, I am the First and the Last, and beside Me there is no god (Isa. 44:6).

In that day Jehovah shall be king over all the earth; in that day Jehovah shall be one and His name one (Zech. 14:9).

God is one in person and in Essence.

Harry

The unity of God is inmostly inscribed on the mind of every man, since it lies at the center of all that flows from God into the soul of man,and yet it has not descended into the human understanding, for the reason that the knowledges by which man must ascend to meet God have been lacking.

For everyone must prepare the way for God, that is, must prepare himself for reception.This is done by means of knowledges. The knowledges that have been lacking, and that enable the understanding to penetrate far enough to see that God is one,not three, and that more one Divine Esse is impossible.These knowledges have been lacking; and yet these are the means through which a man may rise to a knowledge of the Divine Esse.

It is said that the man rises.The meaning is that he is raised up by God. For in acquiring knowledges for himself man exercises his freedom of choice; but as he acquires for himself knowledges from the Word by means of his understanding he prepares the way by which God comes down and raises him up. The knowledges by means of which the human understanding rises, God holding it in His hand and leading it, may be likened to the steps of the ladder seen in a dream by Jacob, which was set upon the earth with the top of it reaching to heaven, by which the angels ascended while Jehovah stood above it (Gen. 28:12,13).

Hi Harry,

For now, I have just one question to ask of you.

How do you know that what you have written above is the truth about god?

You seem like a pretty smart guy to me. I hope you can succeed where others have failed in answering that question.

:hi:

Ceridwen018 said:

Hi Harry,

For now, I have just one question to ask of you.

How do you know that what you have written above is the truth about god?

You seem like a pretty smart guy to me. I hope you can succeed where others have failed in answering that question.

:hi:

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Because it is the truth that God is one.He is one in Person and in Essence.God is not in three persons.He is one Person.

The idea that a Son of God from eternity before creation came down and took upon Himself human form collapses as totally erroneous and is exploded on considering the passages from the Word in which Jehovah Himself says that He is the Saviour and Redeemer.

As in the following:
Am I not Jehovah,and there is no God beside Me? There is no righteous God and Saviour beside Me. (Isa.45:21,22. )

I am Jehovah, and there is no Saviour beside Me. Isa.43:11.

I am Jehovah your God, and you are not to acknowledge any God beside Me, and there is no Saviour beside Me. Hosea 13:4.

That all flesh may know that I am Jehovah your Saviour and your Redeemer. Isa.49:26;60:16.

As for our Redeemer, Jehovah Zebaoth is His name. Isa. 47:4.

Their Redeemer, the mighty Jehovah Zebaoth is His name. Jer. 50:34.

Jehovah, my rock and my Redeemer. Ps. 19:14.

Thus spoke Jehovah, your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel, I am Jehovah your God. Isa. 48:17; 43:14; 49:7.

Thus spoke Jehovah, your Redeemer;I am Jehovah who makes all things, and I alone by Myself. Isa.44:24.

Thus spoke Jehovah, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, Jehovah Zebaoth; I am the First and the Last, and there is no God beside me. Isa. 44:6.

You are Jehovah our Father, our Redeemer from of old is your name. Isa. 63:16.

I will take pity with eternal mercy, thus spoke your Redeemer Jehovah. Isa. 54:8. You had redeemed me, Jehovah of truth. Ps. 31:5.

Let Israel hope in Jehovah, for there is mercy with Jehovah, with Him is very much redemption. He shall redeem Israel from all his sins. Ps. 130:7, 8.

Jehovah Zebaoth* is His name, and your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel; He shall be called the God of all the earth. Isa. 54:5.

I Jehovah will give thee for a covenant to the people, for a light of the nations. I am Jehovah, that is My name, and My glory will I not give to another (Isa. 42:6, 8).

From these and very many more passages anyone who has eyes, and a mind opened by using his eyes, can see that Jehovah God, who is one, came down and was made man under the name Jesus Christ,in order to effect redemption.

Can anyone fail to see this as clear as in morning light, so long as he pays attention to those Divine sayings of God Jehovah which have been quoted above?

Those, however, who are plunged in the shades of night as the result of convincing themselves that there was a trinity before creation,and from this man made trinity a son of God was sent to redeem us,close their eyes (understanding) to those Divine sayings above, and ponder with their eyes shut how to pervert them and make them square with their false ideas.

Harry

Ok, I see where you're going with this, but that's not quite what I meant. Whether or not god is one or three makes no difference in my mind. I'm talking about the very baseline nature of god, ie: existing or not existing. You mentioned that anyone who had eyes could see the true nature of god revealed to him, as in, they could read the scriptures, but how do you know the scriptures are reliable? Because you have been taught they are?

You also said that god is adapted to the perception of man. This is interesting, because I believe that it is through the primitive perception of early man that the concept of religion and a higher power came to be invented.

It also seems odd to me that this very real god cannot be talked to or seen. How very convenient.

I hope I'm not offending you here, these are just some questions I have.

It also seems odd to me that this very real god cannot be talked to or seen. How very convenient.

I hope I'm not offending you here, these are just some questions I have.[/quote]

Don't worry I am not offended. This same God became Man under the name Jesus Christ. Jehovah God becoming Human took place when the angels came to Mary.

The angel said to Mary, You will conceive in your womb and give birth [to a son], and you are to give him the name of Jesus. He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High. And Mary said to the angel, How shall this be, seeing I have no knowledge of a man? The angel replied, The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you, so that the holy thing that is born of you will be called the Son of God. Luke 1:31,32,34,35. The Father was the soul of the child born of Mary.

Harry

Yes, but how do you know that Jesus was the son of god? Because that's what you've been taught? Because you've read the bible? Neither of those seem like good enough sources to me to bet you're whole life on. In fact, the lack of a multitude of sources available is very fishy to me.

Harry (Spiritual Son) said

This same God became Man under the Jesus Christ. Jehovah God becoming Human took place when the angels came to Mary. The angel said to Mary, You will conceive in your womb and give birth [to a son], and you are to give him the name of Jesus. He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High. And Mary said to the angel, How shall this be, seeing I have no knowledge of a man? The angel replied, The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you, so that the holy thing that is born of you will be called the Son of God. Luke 1:31,32,34,35. The Father was the soul of the child born of Mary.

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Everything you've said here is a claim assumed to be true. None of it is backed up, though, except by the fact that "It's in the Bible!". But why blindly accept that the verses in the Bible are true, rather than in any other religious text (the Q'rahn, the Kabbalah, etc)? We shouldn't blindly accept everything that is told to us, right?

The expressions "that day," "in that day," and "in that time;" in which, by "day," and "time," is meant by Jehovah God's advent into the world

In Isaiah:
It shall come to pass in the futurity of days that the mountain of the house of Jehovah shall be established in the top of the mountains. Jehovah alone shall be exalted in that day. The day of Jehovah of Armiea shall be upon everyone that is proud and lofty. In that day a man shall cast away his idols of silver and of gold (Isa. 2:2, 11-12, 20).

In that day the Lord Jehovah will take away their ornament (Isa. 3:18).
In that day shall the branch of Jehovah be beautiful and glorious (Isa. 4:2).

In that day it shall roar against him, and he shall look unto the land, and behold darkness and distress, and the light shall be darkened in the ruins (Isa. 5:30).

It shall come to pass in that day that Jehovah shall hiss for the fly that is in the uttermost part of the rivers of Egypt. In that day the Lord shall shave in the crossings of the river. In that day He shall vivify. In that @day every place shall be for briers and thorns (7:18, 20, 21, 23).

What will ye do in the day of visitation, which shall come? In that day Israel shall stay upon Jehovah, the Holy One of Israel, in truth (10:3, 20).

It shall come to pass in that day, that the Root of Jesse, which standeth for an ensign of the peoples, shall the nations seek, and His rest shall be glory. Chiefly in that day shall the Lord seek again the remnant of His people (11:10,11).

In that day thou shalt say, I will confess unto Thee, O Jehovah. In that day shall ye say, Confess ye to Jehovah, call upon His name (12:1,4).

The day of Jehovah is at hand, as a laying waste from Shaddai shall it come. Behold, the day of Jehovah cometh, cruel, and of indignation, and of wrath, and of anger. I will move the heaven, and the earth shall be shaken out of her place, in the day of the wrath of His anger. His time is near, and it cometh, and the days shall not be prolonged (13:6,9,13,22).

It shall come to pass in that day, that the glory of Jacob shall be made thin. In that day shall a man look unto his Maker, and his eyes to the Holy One of Israel. In that day shall the cities of refuge be as the forsaken places of the forest (17:4,7,9).

In that day there shall be five cities in the land of Egypt that speak with the lip of Canaan. In that day there shall be an altar to Jehovah in the midst of Egypt. In that day there shall be a path from Egypt to Assyria, and Israel shall be in the midst of the land (19:18,19,23,24).

The inhabitant of the island shall say in that day, Behold our expectation (20:6).

A day of tumult, and of treading down, and of perplexity, from the Lord Jehovih of Armies (22:5).

In that day shall Jehovah visit upon the army of the height, and upon the kings of the earth. Alter a multitude of days shall they be visited; then shall the moon blush, and the sun be ashamed (24:21,22,23).

It shall be said* in that day, Lo, this is our God, for whom we have waited, that He may deliver us (25:9).

In that day shall this song be sung in the land of Judah, We have a strong city (26:1).

In that day Jehovah shall visit with His sword. In that day ye shall answer to it, A vineyard of unmixed wine (27:1, 2, 12,13).

In that day shall Jehovah of Armies be for a crown of ornament, and for a diadem (28:5).

In that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of darkness (29:18).

There are many more passages that state the coming of Jehovah God into this world. Isaiah 9:6

In that day Jehovah shall visit with His sword. Didn't Jesus say He did not come to bring peace but a sword.The word sword in the Word means truth.

Harry