Yes that's why I'm making the point of who is most trustworthy. When I'm purchasing valuable items i check who selling and what they are selling ,so that what i receive is true and good . We have to trust the sales person to see what they are offering is genuine .
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Most trustworthy ?
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Twilight Hue
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Why would you say Muhammad's life compared with Jesus s life shows equal trustworthiness? Assuming you have read their accounts ?
Muhammed was not sinless ( again if we accept equally both claims as true and accurate )
Unveiled Artist
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But you don't need the menu to be full. You need real food.
Yes Jesus offers real food .
Unveiled Artist
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@Barry Johnson I'm add a curveball.
John 5:39 39You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me.
Why not cook the food at home instead of going to the restaurant?
John 5:39 39You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me.
Why not cook the food at home instead of going to the restaurant?
Spirit of Light
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@Barry Johnson
It is great you see Jesus as the most trustwhorthy for you. But others may not agree with your view that only a Christian messiah can be trustworthy.
For me the teaching that was given through Muhammad, is to me the most trustworthy teaching. but that is because i believe in Muhammad and Allah. That does not take away your view of Jesus, it only say about what I as a person looking for. And no i do not look for war or other harmful issues you can critique from something you read in the quran.
To me my search in to Islam lead me to sufism and this teaching changed my life fully to something so much better than i ever imagine it would do. Again it is a personal experience.
It is great you see Jesus as the most trustwhorthy for you. But others may not agree with your view that only a Christian messiah can be trustworthy.
For me the teaching that was given through Muhammad, is to me the most trustworthy teaching. but that is because i believe in Muhammad and Allah. That does not take away your view of Jesus, it only say about what I as a person looking for. And no i do not look for war or other harmful issues you can critique from something you read in the quran.
To me my search in to Islam lead me to sufism and this teaching changed my life fully to something so much better than i ever imagine it would do. Again it is a personal experience.
Unveiled Artist
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Edit. Sorry. Thinking of catholicism.
In general, he can't offer food since he is no longer alive. The only thing that's left is the menu.
But if we are to accept Muhammed a claims we could look at his character , how he lived and such to trust what he claimed was indeed to be trusted . Especially as its a matter of eternal life and such ( Having to say 'and such 'as ' ECT confuses some ,weirdly enough lol ) We can do this with Jesus also . Sure you could say perhaps I'm biased . But before I was a believer I did just that . I compared the life of Muhammed and the life of Jesus side by side . Its really a no brainer when you compare Jesus with Muhammed. Jesus never sinned for one. If we grant that that the things said about them were true . There really is no competition. Jesus as a person who was without sin , the Son of God , from Heaven , creator of the universe ,who died sacrificing for the whole world. Verses Muhammed. A sinner just like you and me. He never claimed to be divine nor to die for anyones sins . Nor rise from the dead. This is just a few things. Not to mention all the miracles, the healings and fulfilling prophecies, and such .
No hes still alive .He rose again three days later according to the Scriptures( If we grant all claims equal ) Yes I also did not mean as the Romam Catholics believe .
Spirit of Light
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You have your view of how you want to see Jesus, and i have my view of Muhammad. To me Muhammad is the one i want to follow and learn from. If that is different for you, that is of course not a problem for me.
To me Jesus was a very good prophet of his time.
Subduction Zone
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Why would you just accept the writings of any religious book? By that standard there are far superior beliefs to both religions.
How about one where a sacrifice, either self or of animals, is seen as nonsense? Sacrifice does not happen because it serves no purpose.
But again . The point is about if we grant the claims of each position as true. This requires stepping outside of your worldview and seeing both sides . Muhammed claimed those things about Jesus . So his claims fall under whether or not he was trustworthy ( or deceived) The same with the claims made by Jesus . Jesus claims are radically different to Muhammad's. So back to how they lived , What they did and the things they said. I would say just on virtue , character, nature, conduct and ultimately what they did ,just on paper it should be obvious who is the most trustworthy ( if we grant both claims equal . Christians claims v Islam's claims of said persons )
Again this discussion is not about the trustworthiness of the source documents. That is a separate debate . But rather ,if we hold the claims side by side and grant each position as true and valid .
If I'm to accept the claims of a person and its as critical as what this topic is putting forward then 'trustworthiness ' of Muhammed for example , should be high on the check list .
If i already accept the documents as valid and true ,then I look at the character and such .When I do this with Muhammed and Jesus, it really is no competition who I should trust .
Subduction Zone
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A religion need not be based on a person. And you dodged. Why accept the claims of any religious book?
were talking about conduct , character, their life , their virtues and such.
Spirit of Light
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You say in the OP headline "Most trustworthy" to me Muhammad is the most trustworthy since he is the prophet of Islam, But that does not mean i look down on Jesus and say Jesus is less of a Prophet. Jesus are prophet for the Christians, Muhammad for muslims.
This is to look at their lives ,how they lived , thier conduct, virtues , and all the things we would ( should) naturally look for in the people we trust and consider reliable .
Subduction Zone
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How would you know those?
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
I give up Barry, as i said I see Muhammad as trusthworthy