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What was the Death of Jesus about?

Colt

Colt

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F1fan said:
Monty Python's Life of Brian explained how this works.


So God was caught off guard, and didn't foresee the future events.
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The Universal Father transcends time. He is the creator of time. Does the Father chose to know the events of time? He could. He is everywhere and every when. Did the creator Son know prior to his incarnation that he would be rejected? We don’t know. The incarnate son became aware of his divinity at some point while human. He foresaw his rejection and was guided by the Father in how to untangle the mess as events played out.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Barry Johnson said:
It was also the greatest event in history and the greatest demonstration of love .
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I believe it was One of the Two greatest events in history.

“Each religion, in its own way, has foretold the coming of a great 'religion restoring', 'world uniting', 'peace bringing' Messiah.

For centuries, people from all over the world have been hoping and praying that they will be the generation which will witness the appearance of their Promised One. Not many have considered the possibility that these prophecies from the various religions might actually all be foretelling the exact same event.

Members of the Baha'i Faith believe that in the middle of the last century these prophecies actually were fulfilled and that the Promised One truly did appear.

Baha'u'llah, the Prophet founder of the Baha'i Faith, claims to be the Promised One whose coming was explicitly foretold, not only in the Old and the New Testaments.... but also in the prophecies of the Hindu, Buddhist, Zoroastrian, Islamic and other religions.

If Baha'u'llah truly is the Promised One then His appearance is one of the greatest events of human history. Are Baha'u'llah's claim true? How can we know for certain? Just take a look at some of the proofs and prophecies... and then decide for yourself.”

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Trailblazer said:
I believe it was One of the Two greatest events in history.

“Each religion, in its own way, has foretold the coming of a great 'religion restoring', 'world uniting', 'peace bringing' Messiah.

For centuries, people from all over the world have been hoping and praying that they will be the generation which will witness the appearance of their Promised One. Not many have considered the possibility that these prophecies from the various religions might actually all be foretelling the exact same event.

Members of the Baha'i Faith believe that in the middle of the last century these prophecies actually were fulfilled and that the Promised One truly did appear.

Baha'u'llah, the Prophet founder of the Baha'i Faith, claims to be the Promised One whose coming was explicitly foretold, not only in the Old and the New Testaments.... but also in the prophecies of the Hindu, Buddhist, Zoroastrian, Islamic and other religions.

If Baha'u'llah truly is the Promised One then His appearance is one of the greatest events of human history. Are Baha'u'llah's claim true? How can we know for certain? Just take a look at some of the proofs and prophecies... and then decide for yourself.”

Prophecy Fulfilled Webpage
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//“Each religion, in its own way, has foretold the coming of a great 'religion restoring', 'world uniting', 'peace bringing' Messiah.//
Yes the bible calls this person the ' anti christ ' .
 
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Trailblazer said:
I believe it was One of the Two greatest events in history.

“Each religion, in its own way, has foretold the coming of a great 'religion restoring', 'world uniting', 'peace bringing' Messiah.

For centuries, people from all over the world have been hoping and praying that they will be the generation which will witness the appearance of their Promised One. Not many have considered the possibility that these prophecies from the various religions might actually all be foretelling the exact same event.

Members of the Baha'i Faith believe that in the middle of the last century these prophecies actually were fulfilled and that the Promised One truly did appear.

Baha'u'llah, the Prophet founder of the Baha'i Faith, claims to be the Promised One whose coming was explicitly foretold, not only in the Old and the New Testaments.... but also in the prophecies of the Hindu, Buddhist, Zoroastrian, Islamic and other religions.

If Baha'u'llah truly is the Promised One then His appearance is one of the greatest events of human history. Are Baha'u'llah's claim true? How can we know for certain? Just take a look at some of the proofs and prophecies... and then decide for yourself.”

Prophecy Fulfilled Webpage
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The bible describes the Anti christ as a coming of a great 'religion restoring', 'world uniting', 'peace bringing one . Jesus return is not described this way at all .
 
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blü 2 said:
So Jesus sets out to get himself killed by crucifixion, refuses opportunities to escape, succeeds in getting killed, pushes the blame onto the Jews, and calls it a good weekend's work, right?

Never such love, right?

Why? Why? Why?
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If your hell bent on making a caricature out the narrative you will never recieve the value of what happened.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Barry Johnson said:
//“Each religion, in its own way, has foretold the coming of a great 'religion restoring', 'world uniting', 'peace bringing' Messiah.//
Yes the bible calls this person the ' anti christ ' .
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There might be an anti-Christ, but it was not Baha'u'llah, according to the Bible.
The proof is all IN the Bible, coupled with what Baha'u'llah actually wrote about Jesus.
 
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F1fan

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cOLTER said:
The Universal Father transcends time. He is the creator of time. Does the Father chose to know the events of time? He could.
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He could, but doesn't? So God doesn't know if it's 56 BCE or 2021?

He is everywhere and every when. Did the creator Son know prior to his incarnation that he would be rejected? We don’t know. The incarnate son became aware of his divinity at some point while human. He foresaw his rejection and was guided by the Father in how to untangle the mess as events played out.
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But I'm asking whether God knew Jesus was going to be killed or not when God set the whole set of events in action. If God didn't, well then God is just gambling and not in control of circumstances in the universe.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Barry Johnson said:
The bible describes the Anti christ as a coming of a great 'religion restoring', 'world uniting', 'peace bringing one . Jesus return is not described this way at all .
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That's right. There was a Promised One, a Messiah, predicted by all the major religions who would come in the latter days.
We know that Messiah was never slated to be Jesus.because Jesus said His work was finished and He was no longer in the world.

(John 14:19, John 17:11, John 17:4, John 19:30, John 18:36, John 18:37)
 
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Trailblazer said:
There might be an anti-Christ, but it was not Baha'u'llah, according to the Bible.
The proof is all IN the Bible, coupled with what Baha'u'llah actually wrote about Jesus.
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Baha'u'llah is completely irrelevant to the bible. There is no allowance for such a person.
 
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Trailblazer said:
That's right. There was a Promised One, a Messiah, predicted by all the major religions who would come in the latter days.
We know that Messiah was never slated to be Jesus.because Jesus said His work was finished and He was no longer in the world.

(John 14:19, John 17:11, John 17:4, John 19:30, John 18:36, John 18:37)
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Your sticking to this ,not through a sound reading of the bible are you ? Because its literally impossible to read the NT and come to that conclusion.
 
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Trailblazer said:
That's right. There was a Promised One, a Messiah, predicted by all the major religions who would come in the latter days.
We know that Messiah was never slated to be Jesus.because Jesus said His work was finished and He was no longer in the world.

(John 14:19, John 17:11, John 17:4, John 19:30, John 18:36, John 18:37)
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' No longer in the world ' does not mean he doesn't return .
 
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Trailblazer said:
That's right. There was a Promised One, a Messiah, predicted by all the major religions who would come in the latter days.
We know that Messiah was never slated to be Jesus.because Jesus said His work was finished and He was no longer in the world.

(John 14:19, John 17:11, John 17:4, John 19:30, John 18:36, John 18:37)
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The bible warns of the 'one ' that all the worlds religions are looking for to come . This is why they will embrace the anti Christ .
 
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Trailblazer said:
That's right. There was a Promised One, a Messiah, predicted by all the major religions who would come in the latter days.
We know that Messiah was never slated to be Jesus.because Jesus said His work was finished and He was no longer in the world.

(John 14:19, John 17:11, John 17:4, John 19:30, John 18:36, John 18:37)
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John 14
1¶Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

2In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3And if I go and prepare a place for you, i will come again , and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

4And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Barry Johnson said:
Baha'u'llah is completely irrelevant to the bible. There is no allowance for such a person.
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The Old Testament predicts the coming of a Messiah and the New Testament predicts the return of Christ.
Many of the prophecies and how they were fulfilled by Baha'u'llah are shown in this video.
I suggest you watch it, it is only10 minutes long.

 
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Trailblazer said:
That's right. There was a Promised One, a Messiah, predicted by all the major religions who would come in the latter days.
We know that Messiah was never slated to be Jesus.because Jesus said His work was finished and He was no longer in the world.

(John 14:19, John 17:11, John 17:4, John 19:30, John 18:36, John 18:37)
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Acts 1

10And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

11Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this SAME Jesus which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven .
 
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Trailblazer said:
The Old Testament predicts the coming of a Messiah and the New Testament predicts the return of Christ.
Many of the prophecies and how they were fulfilled by Baha'u'llah are shown in this video.
I suggest you watch it, it is only10 minutes long.

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If you have to show me from a video of the internet and not the bible, this shows its not supported by the bible .
 
Colt

Colt

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F1fan said:
He could, but doesn't? So God doesn't know if it's 56 BCE or 2021?


But I'm asking whether God knew Jesus was going to be killed or not when God set the whole set of events in action. If God didn't, well then God is just gambling and not in control of circumstances in the universe.
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The Universal Father inhabits the circle of infinity. What time would it ever be to God?

God delegates creative powers and authority to his Sons who in turn manage their own created worlds.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Barry Johnson said:
Acts 1

10And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

11Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this SAME Jesus which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven .
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You can't win this one. "This same Jesus" in the same body is never coming back to this world, according to the Bible.

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Acts 1:9-11 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

The disciples were staring up into the sky as the spirit of Jesus was taken up to heaven out of their sight. The two men dressed in white (angels) came along and asked why they were staring up into the sky because they wondered why the disciples were staring up into the sky. Then the angels told the disciples that the same spirit of Jesus that was taken up to heaven will return just as it went to heaven, in like manner.

The verse does not say that the disciples saw a body go up. It was the Christ Spirit that ascended, not a body, which is why the angels wondered why the disciples were staring into the sky, since there was nothing to look at. That makes perfect sense since angels can see spirits.

Descending from heaven upon the clouds means that the spirit of Jesus, the Christ Spirit, will be made manifest from the heaven of the will of God and will appear in the form of a human being. Though delivered from the womb of Mary, Jesus in reality descended from the heaven of the will of God. Baha’u’llah descended in like manner, from the heaven of the will of God.
 
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