Does Islam teach this?

This material was posted in the thread "What Was Hitler's Religion." I've removed the references to Mein Kampf as this thread is intended only to deal with the accuracy of the statements about Islam.

TwinTowers said:

Koran: States that Islam and Muslims are the superiors of mankind and that Islam is divinely mandated to rule the world and dominate all other races, creeds and nations.
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Koran: Says that Islam and Sharia is to have control over every aspect of life. Says all individuals must submit to Islam.
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The Koran: Says that Muslims have a duty to wage Jihad and to advance Islam's domination over the world (Dar Islam and Dar Harb) by any means necessary. Places loyalty to fellow Muslims(Umma)and Islam above all other ethical considerations.
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Koran: Mandates that men are superior to women and that women's place should be limited to procreation, the kitchen and the home. (Admittedly, the Q'uran goes quite a bit farther than Mein Kamph on this topic)
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Koran: Says homosexuals are unholy to Allah and should be condemned to death
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Koran: Sets out a detailed model for world conquest, including rules for how conquered peoples are to be suppressed and dominated by Muslims. States that the wealth, resources and property of subject peoples belongs to Muslims by right and the right to life for subject peoples is dependent onMuslims. States that non-Muslims have no legal or civil rights. (in truth, a lot of this has it's basis in the Hadith and the Sunna, but both derive essentially from what's in the Q'uran., along with all the other aspects of Sharia).

Oh, I almost forgot:


The Koran: -Blames the Jews for society's ills and says that they will be exterminated. (`On the day of Judgement the rocks and trees will call out `O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me! Come and slay him!’)

This is just some of what I found online, it was fully covered in "The Rage and the Pride" by my hero, famous journalist and war correspondent Oriana Fallaci PBUH.

Of course once it was written her life was threatened and she became hated throughout the world. (Unlike Rushtie, when a fatawa was issued against her she just got mad and wrote another book).

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I would like to being by asking the original poster to cite surih and verse so we can look at these passages in the Qu'ran and see if, in context, it actually says any of this.

OK TwinTowers -- the ball is now in your court.

What does the Quran have ever to do with Hitler's thread?

The Truth said:

What does the Quran have ever to do with Hitler's thread?

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Not a thing. That's why I moved the stuff having to do with Islam here.

I was rather hoping the person who put it out there originally would have the guts to come here and back up what he said, but it appears I am to be disappointed.

Just for fun, you and I could blow holes in it anyway.

It's rather like shooting fish in a barrel, don't you think?

Booko,

I was hoping this thread might induce a discussion also, but it seems that the poster in question is only interested in contributing if, by doing so, he can insult Muslims. Maybe your removal of the Mein Kampf material has denied him this opportunity. It's a shame because I would have liked to see the arguments. Disagreeing with a faith is one thing libelling or slandering it quite another. I would have liked to have seen the person in question educated a little in his views.

James

Booko said:

It's rather like shooting fish in a barrel, don't you think?

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Indeed.

Islam is a religion which discusses all aspects of life completely and entirely. Part of the aspects of life obviously are political. Islam believes that woman are equal to men as the Quran states. The Quran also states that men are superior than women in certain things, but men and woman are equal. meaning that woman also are superior than men in other cases. No Islam doesnt say that woman should remain at home islam says that you should teach you children and educate them and that education is a holly thing, and that a father who educates his daughter enters heaven, so no.
As for the treatment of non Muslims, no religion in the entire history of mankind has treated people who dont belong to it better than Islam. They dont have to convert and or enlist in the Muslim army. All that is required of them is to pay a tax, very low tax like maybe a hundred dollars a year and in return they get to keep there religion and get protection from the muslim government against discrimination and other acts of racism. Islam propmoted universal brotherhood. It believes that the only difference between whites and black Arabs and romans and so on is only in one thing and one thing only which is piety, rightousness. Therefor we find that over the course of history many non Muslims wished to be ruled by Mulsims. However out of fairness later on non Muslims were opressed by leaders and Muslims but these actions were going against the teachings of Islam. Islam is the only religion which discusses all aspects of life, worships One God who has no partners, a perfect God, and a mercifull God. It is a humanitarian system, a plitcal system, a way of life, a way of worship, a rreligion by definition which governs all aspects of life. As for world domination. no Islam just stresses the idea that we (Muslims) should invite everyone to Islam and show them what the true Islam is not what wackos who blow themselves up do. AN invitation to all non Muslims is required from us to be given to them. Since we believe our religion is Gods religion, and it is, we have to show people what it is. It stresses ethics. Kindness. Mercy. If that is whats meant by world domination, than yeah. If invading the entire world buchering al non Muslims than no. Islam comes from the word salam which means peace. It is here to bring peace to everyone, the opressed people, the people drowning in taxes in interests etc.
peace be unto all.

This catalogue of self-deception, propaganda and misconception is disturbing indeed. e.g. "Islam is the only religion which .... worships One God who has no partners".

Sikhs, many Hindus, Jews, and Christians are all monotheists. Christians do not see Jesus as the "partner" of God but as the living God made flesh. Even if Muslims cannot accept the Christian view of Jesus then is it too much for them to refrain from being so insulting about it.

God is no respecter of persons. (Acts 10:34) Then Peter opened [his] mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
I believe that there will be a remnant of every nation under the sun that will be saved, But not every one under the sun will be saved.

As someone who does lots of human rights work I have to point out that when talking what some religion is or is not we should first decide if we are just talking theoretical POV or what is the reality - how does the religion "work" in real life.

Many religions, Islam included, express themselves as wonderful but when we look at the reality it is often very different. History and culture shape religions.

So...when 13 years old girl gets 100 lashes in Sudan under sharia law because she was raped - are those people real muslims?
(I could give hundreds of similar examples on other faiths but this thread is about Islam so..)
Christians (and other faiths too)are dealing with rising amount of oppression in Islamic countries, not just in Iraq but in countries like Egypt and Morocco and other formelly christian safe countries. The more fundamentalist Islam is gaining popularity fast.

If we look statistics from human rights POV - countries where Islam is the mainfaith, the human rights situation is very bad. Same with women's rights. Not to mention any minorities.

IMO question like "does religion teach this or that" leads to frustration, the answer depends who you ask.

ayani said:

Booko ~

the Quran does give encouragement to Muslims wishing to conquer new lands for Islam. non-Muslims in the local have the choice to convert to Islam (but this is not compulsory), or accept the authroity of their Muslim overseers and pay a jizya (or tax) to them to ensure their protection and the right to practice their own religions. Muslims in such communities are not asked or compelled to pay this jizya.

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Response: No where in the qur'an does Allah or anyone for that matter encourage muslims to conquer new lands for islam.

Fatihah said:

Response: No where in the qur'an does Allah or anyone for that matter encourage muslims to conquer new lands for islam.

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How did the Sahaba spread Islam out of Arabia?
I'm not sure if it is advocated in the Quran, but hadiths suggest that it was advocated by Muhammed.

Princess Of Peace said:

How did the Sahaba spread Islam out of Arabia?
I'm not sure if it is advocated in the Quran, but hadiths suggest that it was advocated by Muhammed.

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Response: The spread of islam was done through spreading the word of Allah (swt). The religion of islam was a breath of fresh air to everyone. It's promotion of peace and equality and the humility that each follower would display was the gem that attracted people to embrace islam.

But at the same time, some of the leaders in and around Arabia were envious of the rise of stature of the beloved Prophet and wanted to put him to an end along with those who followed and supported him. This led to an ongoing assault on the muslims and Muhammad(pbuh) who were left with no choice but to fight and defend themselves. But the plots of the disbelievers could never unravel the might of Allah, and Muhammad, along with his companions and other muslims, were granted victories, making it easier for them to continue to freely preach and establish the religion of islam.

Fatihah said:

Response: The spread of islam was done through spreading the word of Allah (swt). The religion of islam was a breath of fresh air to everyone. It's promotion of peace and equality and the humility that each follower would display was the gem that attracted people to embrace islam.

But at the same time, some of the leaders in and around Arabia were envious of the rise of stature of the beloved Prophet and wanted to put him to an end along with those who followed and supported him. This led to an ongoing assault on the muslims and Muhammad(pbuh) who were left with no choice but to fight and defend themselves. But the plots of the disbelievers could never unravel the might of Allah, and Muhammad, along with his companions and other muslims, were granted victories, making it easier for them to continue to freely preach and establish the religion of islam.

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Do you honestly believe that there was no offensive aspect to the spread of Islam? Why did Umar ibn al Khattab's forces invade Persia then? Did the Persians attack him.

Princess Of Peace said:

Do you honestly believe that there was no offensive aspect to the spread of Islam? Why did Umar ibn al Khattab's forces invade Persia then? Did the Persians attack him.

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Response: Both the Persian and Roman empires have been trying to attack islam since Muhammad(pbuh). It wasn't until the caliphate of Umar that the Persians were defeated but that still did not stop them from seeking revenge, thus attacking them again, and again.

ayani said:

Booko ~

the Quran states that Islamic religion and theology are superior to all other faiths (specifically polytheism, Judaism, and Christianity) and practices, and that Allah has decreed Islam as the ideal and final religion for all humanity.

Islam (when put into practice) does cover every aspect of a believer's life, and it is believed that it is the will of Allah for the Muslim to submit to him via the devoted and thorough implementation of Islamic practice in their day to day lives.

the Quran does say that Muslims have a duty to wage jihad (or struggle, can be either non-violent or violent) against those who oppose Islam and who fight Muslims. the Quran does put forth a triumphalist and expansionist agenda for Islam, and decrees that conquered / subdued non-Muslims coming under Muslim control must either convert to Islam or pay a tax in order to be protected by their Muslim rulers and freely practice their faith.

the Quran states that men and women are euqal as believers, and extolls Muslim women to dress and behave modestly, to be devout in their practice of Islam, and to respect and heed their husbands. Islam places great honor on the role of women as wives, mothers, and maintainers of the family.

homosexuality is condremned in Islam. homosexual behavior is to be punished. the Quran says that if the behavior is repented of, no further punishment is neccesary. another verse says that female fornicators against whom four witnesses can be found should be confined in their houses until death overtakes them.

the Quran does give encouragement to Muslims wishing to conquer new lands for Islam. non-Muslims in the local have the choice to convert to Islam (but this is not compulsory), or accept the authroity of their Muslim overseers and pay a jizya (or tax) to them to ensure their protection and the right to practice their own religions. Muslims in such communities are not asked or compelled to pay this jizya.

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Dear I think you missunderstand what is Jihad . Jihad in arabic means expand your force out of your body in well doing not in aggression . for example fasting the holy month of ramadan is JIHAD , giving ZAKATE is Jihad , preaching words of GOD is JIHAD , helping others in good manners is JIHAD , instructing people is JIHAD , working is JIHAD , taking care of his family and poor people is JIHAD ,ect....
when it is question to defend himself is also JIHAD , Islam never and it had never instrcut people to attack others and kill as you try to insinuate , ISLAM is only in self-defence , the reality is under your eyes PALESTINE ,muslims are not attacking the occupant but they are defending their country and their own land .the CANAAN LAND .
that s it .