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Can the soul die?
- Thread starter Frank Goad
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
post as thread title......please
We Never Know
No Slack
So I can't reply to what is said in a post?
Here's the post I replied to...
Post #56
And it is no longer necessary to read the Bible to get the truth about God and the soul and the afterlife because God has spoken again in this age and what was revealed is a lot easier to understand... No more hunting through the Bible for verses that contradict each other and trying to piece verses together in a vain attempt to to figure these things out. All the answers are now at our fingertips, just a click away.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
an excellent title ......for a thread
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Here is Jesus talking about it again.
John 12:24-26 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.
I asked you to show me a living soul without living tissue, to which you responded:
This elicted the following response from you:
To which I responded: "Meaningless. Computer in front of me, window on my left, couch and carpet under me, dining room straight ahead -- no souls, sorry."
This elicted the following response from you:
To which I now have to say: you are saying words, but they are entirely woo and and without meaning. I have no doubt if you had something meaningful to say, you could find the words to do so. That you do not convinces me that you really don't have anything meaningful to say on this topic.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
so......you don't have a location?
you don't know where you are?
you do seem confused
What on earth are you on about? My location was as I explained -- my living room. Window to my right, computer in front, etc.
Did you want me to describe some mythical location? Sorry, don't have one. I live here on earth -- in a city, in a neighbourhood, in a home, with rooms and stuff. You might have heard of those things. Then again, from your responses, I can't be sure.
I'm done with this, by the way. I really don't like trying to dialogue with people who talk woo-woo and silly pseudo-spiritual jargon. All in an effort, like yours in your post, to avoid actually answering anything.
I just find it irritating and inane. So I'll leave you to it.
RabbiO
הרב יונה בן זכריה
@Frank Goad -
On what basis do you trust the KJV translation of Hebrew scripture?
On what basis do you trust the KJV translation of Hebrew scripture?
Frank Goad
Well-Known Member
I just like their style best.
RabbiO
הרב יונה בן זכריה
So, style is more important to you than accuracy?
Frank Goad
Well-Known Member
I just trust it more then other bibles because when I was growing up that was my family's go to bible.
Thus why I like it's style.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe there is a physical death and a spiritual death. I believe they are referring to the latter. A spiritual death means the soul has become evil. A good soul has life.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe I have no concept of what you mean by spiritual qualities.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe the soul is a creation and anything created can also be eliminated.
It is possible that a spirit has some physicality. No-one knows for sure except God.
RabbiO
הרב יונה בן זכריה
Do you care if the translation you are using is not right? Do you care when the Bible doesn’t say what you think it says because the translation is wrong? A simple yes or no answer will suffice.I just trust it more then other bibles because when I was growing up that was my family's go to bible.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
The soul is a sign of God, a creation of God, so I see no reason why God would eliminate it. A soul can sink to a low condition, but it can never die because it is eternal.
“Thou hast asked Me concerning the nature of the soul. Know, verily, that the soul is a sign of God, a heavenly gem whose reality the most learned of men hath failed to grasp, and whose mystery no mind, however acute, can ever hope to unravel. It is the first among all created things to declare the excellence of its Creator, the first to recognize His glory, to cleave to His truth, and to bow down in adoration before Him. If it be faithful to God, it will reflect His light, and will, eventually, return unto Him. If it fail, however, in its allegiance to its Creator, it will become a victim to self and passion, and will, in the end, sink in their depths...”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 158-159
I cannot understand how a spirit could have physicality because that contradicts the definition of spirit.
Spirit: the nonphysical part of a person which is the seat of emotions and character; the soul.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=spirit+means
Bree
Active Member
unfortunately the meaning of the word 'soul' has changed a lot since ancient times.
back then the 'soul' was a living person or animal. All living beings were 'souls' and all living beings could most certainly die.
God does not lie to us. If the bible says the 'soul dies' then the soul dies. There is no life after death.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Those verses mean that the soul that sins will not have eternal life, so it will be as a dead soul.
There will be life after death for everyone but that quality of life will vary.
When Jesus referred to eternal life, He was not referring to physical life of the body. He was referring a quality of life, spiritual life, loving God and being close to God. The soul is eternal, the body perishes. That is why Jesus said: John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life
All the verses below refer to eternal life of the soul, not life of the physical body.
John 11:25-26 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
All souls will continue to exist in the spiritual world after the body dies but not all souls will have eternal life (everlasting life).
Eternal life refers to a “quality” of life, nearness to God which, according to Jesus, comes from believing in Him.
“The immortality of the spirit is mentioned in the Holy Books; it is the fundamental basis of the divine religions. Now punishments and rewards are said to be of two kinds: first, the rewards and punishments of this life; second, those of the other world. But the paradise and hell of existence are found in all the worlds of God, whether in this world or in the spiritual heavenly worlds. Gaining these rewards is the gaining of eternal life. That is why Christ said, “Act in such a way that you may find eternal life, and that you may be born of water and the spirit, so that you may enter into the Kingdom.” 2” Some Answered Questions, p. 223
The souls of people who are distant from God will not have eternal life; although their soul will continue to exist in the spiritual world after their physical body dies they will be “as dead” compared to those souls who are close to God.
“In the same way, the souls who are veiled from God, although they exist in this world and in the world after death, are, in comparison with the holy existence of the children of the Kingdom of God, nonexisting and separated from God.”
Some Answered Questions, p. 243
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