YHWH: Worship ONE GOD, not MANY GODS. Worship Me, alone!

Barry Johnson said:

If you can't read these verses then how do you read anything?

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I have read the verses.

I have also replied to each verse independently. (EDIT: Post 25)

This does not help your argument to turn to insults.

Where does it say jesus "is" the creator?

You said jesus isn't the father because the father can't die on the cross....

So how is jesus the creator if his creator can't die on the cross?

Shakeel said:

God doesn't need to be "raised on the throne" by God. In fact that sounds absurd.

The cat took the cat to the litter box. Is there two cats or just one? By your logic just one and it's totally normal to talk like that.

So you think God and His spirit are separate just like with humans? Then who breathed the spirit into God to make Him living?

By all appearances it refers to Jesus. Otherwise it would say God. I agree it sounds a little blasphemous at first hand, but in the light of the Bible:

Genesis 42:6 "Now Joseph was the ruler over the land; he was the one who sold to all the people of the land. And Joseph’s brothers came and bowed down to him with their faces to the ground."

2 Samuel 1:2 "On the third day, behold, a man came out of the camp from Saul, with his clothes torn and dust on his head. And it came about when he came to David that he fell to the ground and prostrated himself."

Genesis 49:8 '“Judah, your brothers shall praise you; Your hand shall be on the neck of your enemies; Your father’s sons shall bow down to you.'

Exodus 18:7 "Then Moses went out to meet his father-in-law, and he bowed down and kissed him; and they asked each other of their welfare and went into the tent."

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Once again, you are failing to appreciate that Jesus was a human being with the full measure of the Godhead within him. At crucifixion, the Spirit of God left him, due to the sin he bore, but the Spirit returned to raise him up after three days and nights spent in the grave.

All the references you make to obeisance have no comparison to the worship shown to Christ, for it is not just men that bow themselves before his throne. It is 'every knee' in heaven, 'every knee' in earth, and 'every knee' under the earth!! [Read Philippians 2:10] Given that men are made lower than the angels, it seems that Christ is elevated well above all men!

moorea944 said:

[Then why would Jesus say, Follow me? [John 10:27]. If Jesus did not do the works of God, then why would a disciple give up all to follow Jesus? Jesus did not say, l'll teach you about God, he said, Follow me!]

Yes, that's true. But I think we are now talking about something else... But yes, he did say follow me. But.... we know what Jesus taught. He taught about the Kingdom of God. That was his message and that was his message even after his resurrection. And after his resurrection he was here for 40 days. Doing what? Teaching about the coming Kingdom of God. Jesus is the way dont forget. And he had every right to say, follow me. Who else would have taught them?.....

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But he wasn't just teaching them about the kingdom of God, he was telling them that he was the king! Without allegiance to the king, you have no place in the kingdom. This means placing your faith in a specific person, Jesus Christ, and serving him!

Soapy said:

I want to explore the truth that Yhwh God told his favoured nation that they are to worship Him, YHWH, and YHWH alone.

Why? Because the Jews (called Israelites, at that time) were living among, in and around, other tribes and nations, who worshipped many Gods.

Yhwh instructed them that they were to have no other God bug him... that HE was to be their ONE GOD.

And to this day, Jews believe that GOD, YHWH, is their ONLY GOD.

I too, believe this. But there are many who misinterpret YHWH’s directive and confound his word. The WORD OF GOD has become adulterated.

Why is it so hard to believe the word of Jesus Christ:

• “Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.'" (Luke 4:8)
• “Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.” (John 4:23)

Why is it difficult to to understand what yhwh said:

• "You shall have no other gods before me.“ (Exodus 20:3)
• “I am the YHWH, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God....”

And the apostles tell us:

• “yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live;” ( 1 Cor 8:6)
• “One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. (Eph 4:6)

Please note, the thread is mainly about GOD being the ONLY GOD. And that because this ONE GOD is the creator, He us rightly called, ‘FATHER’ (which means: ‘Creator’, ‘Life Giver’, ‘He that brings forth’, and ‘the Head’ by ultimate context.)

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That's right the Father is truly the only God.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

John 14:8-9 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

Redemptionsong said:

Once again, you are failing to appreciate t

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Failing to appreciate would be false. I outright reject that and it has nothing to do with the Bible.

Redemptionsong said:

At crucifixion, the Spirit of God left him, due to the sin he bore,

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Why, was God too weak to handle it?

Redemptionsong said:

for it is not just men that bow themselves before his throne.

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His throne? Philippians 2:11 "and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

Redemptionsong said:

Given that men are made lower than the angels, it seems that Christ is elevated well above all men!

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Matthew 11:11 says "Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he."

Apparently he wasn't the greatest.

Shakeel said:

Apparently he wasn't the greatest.

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a subordinate could never be

Barry Johnson said:

Jesus was not presenting him self like Godzilla, demanding everyone to realise He is God . His earthly programmatic ministry is to Israel ( Primarily) as to proof he was the one to come. You could literally spend all day typing all the prophecies he fillfilled , his titles, ' That Prophet ' , Messaih , Christ , The Word ' , Priest, King , Son of Man , Son of God , ect ect . What happens is objectors and sceptics with bias and agendas only look at the verses that demonstrate his ' humanity ' And they overlook the ones that prove his divinity . He comes in the flesh from Heaven as a baby . He has to become flesh and prove that he is come in the flesh. This is what the skeptics focus on . But to us ,this is proof he was the one to come . 'The lamb of God ' ect He came in the likeness of sinless but He raised himself from the dead . Aside from all the truck load of verses that clearly point to his Divinity he has to show his humanity also. Its both . But who can forgive sins but God, Who could say the things he said , but God. It would be blasphemy to say the things he said and not be God . Who can raise himself from the dead ,but God ?

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Lots of words there, Barry…..but STILL no sayings of Jesus to back up your claims that Jesus is God – that is SO disappointing !!

You need to quote the words of Jesus to strengthen your claims of who Jesus is, else, you are just proving me right that Christians who claim Jesus is God always made one, if not all, of these common responses in their effort to support their ‘Jesus is God’ belief :

1) They rarely quote the words of Jesus but instead they, more often than not, quote the words of others like Paul, the NT scribes, and so on…

2) If they do quote Jesus’ words, they either misinterpret, understood his words literally or they try to ‘tailor-fit’ their belief into Jesus’ words with conjectures

3) they make a lot of assumptions of what Jesus never said and they ignore of what Jesus really did said.

Try again… this time, please quote Jesus’ words of himself and let’s see whether you are committing point 2 and/or point 3 above.

Redemptionsong said:

But he wasn't just teaching them about the kingdom of God, he was telling them that he was the king! Without allegiance to the king, you have no place in the kingdom. This means placing your faith in a specific person, Jesus Christ, and serving him!

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Is there a verse that he told everyone that he was King? And what verse does he tell people to serve him...... His kingdom hasnt come yet. He will setup his Kingdom at his return. But if you can give me those two verses, that would be great. Thanks.

so.....let's say you finally meet the Almighty
top of the line Lifeform
holds the power of creation

do you object?.......anything He might say
and if He declares someone to be His Son.....

it wasn't only John that made declaration
when the Carpenter was baptized a Voice was heard......This is my Son
in Whom I am well pleased

so the story goes

moorea944 said:

Is there a verse that he told everyone that he was King? And what verse does he tell people to serve him...... His kingdom hasnt come yet. He will setup his Kingdom at his return. But if you can give me those two verses, that would be great. Thanks.

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He never wanted a crown on His head

of Himself He did say......brother and fellow servant

anytime someone mentioned ....crowns
He got up and left

Thief said:

and if He declares someone to be His Son.....
it wasn't only John that made declaration
when the Carpenter was baptized a Voice was heard......This is my Son
in Whom I am well pleased
so the story goes

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The term ‘S/son of God’ is a reference to someone who’s subservient and only submit to the Will of God, or in other words, Jesus is truly a servant of God, NOT God the Son.

In fact, in Isaiah 42:1, God Himself referred to Jesus as “This is My S/servant”, NOT “This is My S/son”. So, what does this tells us ?? It tells us that in the Bible, the term ‘S/son of God’ is synonymous with the term ‘servant of God’ as proven by the fact that many other people are also referred to as ‘S/son of God’ in the Bible. It's only in the NT, that the writers began to predominantly use the term ‘S/son of God’ in reference to Jesus in an obvious attempt to project him as God the Son, to which he had clearly denied. So, stop kidding yourself, Thief.

By the way, Jesus only knew the Scripture as in the OT - he himself never knew nor heard of ‘the gospels of Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John’ in his entire life on earth.

Redemptionsong said:

If God was not in Christ, then he would not have been worthy of worship. Yet, we know from Philippians 2:10,11 that Jesus Christ IS worshipped.[/COLOR]

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The sentence "God is in Christ" should not be taken literally or as a scriptural doctrine. In the same manner no one would take the sentence" Marriage mates are one flesh" literally. These sentence are poetic or analogies meant to convey certain features or meanings, anything else would be metaphysics.

The Hebrew words conveying the idea of worship ('a-vaeh') basically means "serve". There is no contradiction in giving Jesus that type of worship, since he is in full harmony with his father Jehovah and is appointed by him as king over his earthly subjects.

JerryMyers said:

Lots of words there, Barry…..but STILL no sayings of Jesus to back up your claims that Jesus is God – that is SO disappointing !!

You need to quote the words of Jesus to strengthen your claims of who Jesus is, else, you are just proving me right that Christians who claim Jesus is God always made one, if not all, of these common responses in their effort to support their ‘Jesus is God’ belief :

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It sounds like the words of others in the Bible about Jesus just debunk your favourite theory about Jesus, that He is not God.
Peter calls Him YHWH by applying an OT prophecy about YHWH to Jesus. (1Pet 2:8 quoting Isa 8:14)
The writer of Hebrews does the same. (Heb 1:10 quoting Ps 102:25)
Thomas calls Jesus "My God" (John 20:28,29) and Jesus agrees.
John 20:28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
John said that the Jews wanted to stone Jesus because Jesus claimed equality with God by claiming to be the Son of God. The Jews knew what He was claiming, the same as what the Trinitarians say, that the Son has the same nature as His Father.
John 5:16 So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
David calls Him God even though as a man He has a God who became His God when He became a man.
Psalm 45:6Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever, and justice is the scepter of Your kingdom. 7You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you above your companions with the oil of joy.…
Psalm 22: 10From birth I was cast on you;
from my mother’s womb you have been my God.
I'm too tired to go on but I could find many more I'm sure, and in there are words of Jesus agreeing with what Thomas said.
But whether or not the words of Jesus does not matter and is just another silly argument that people use.

JerryMyers said:

The term ‘S/son of God’ is a reference to someone who’s subservient and only submit to the Will of God, or in other words, Jesus is truly a servant of God, NOT God the Son.

In fact, in Isaiah 42:1, God Himself referred to Jesus as “This is My S/servant”, NOT “This is My S/son”. So, what does this tells us ?? It tells us that in the Bible, the term ‘S/son of God’ is synonymous with the term ‘servant of God’ as proven by the fact that many other people are also referred to as ‘S/son of God’ in the Bible. It's only in the NT, that the writers began to predominantly use the term ‘S/son of God’ in reference to Jesus in an obvious attempt to project him as God the Son, to which he had clearly denied. So, stop kidding yourself, Thief.

By the way, Jesus only knew the Scripture as in the OT - he himself never knew nor heard of ‘the gospels of Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John’ in his entire life on earth.

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Yes Jesus took the nature of a servant when He became a man. He did not have that nature before that, He had just the nature of God and was equal to God (and was the Son then also) but thought of what His Father wanted and did that, He became a servant and man and learned obedience unto death.
Phil 2 is a chapter about humility amongst equals and Jesus is the perfect example of that.
Phil 2:6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!

Neuropteron said:

The sentence "God is in Christ" should not be taken literally or as a scriptural doctrine. In the same manner no one would take the sentence" Marriage mates are one flesh" literally. These sentence are poetic or analogies meant to convey certain features or meanings, anything else would be metaphysics.

The Hebrew words conveying the idea of worship ('a-vaeh') basically means "serve". There is no contradiction in giving Jesus that type of worship, since he is in full harmony with his father Jehovah and is appointed by him as king over his earthly subjects.

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Col 2:9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form.
It's true, the Father and Holy Spirit are dwelling in Christ, literally in His body, in full measure just as the Father and Son literally come and make their home in anyone who loves Jesus and keeps His words and that happens when we are born again with the Holy Spirit.
John 14:15If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. 16And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Advocate to be with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot receive Him, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. But you do know Him, for He abides with you and will be in you.…
23Jesus replied, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word. My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.
2Peter 1: 4Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.
We taste the divine nature, the Son has the nature fully and that is because He is the real Son of God.
What sort of "features or meanings" would you say that being "one flesh" with you wife,,,,,,,,or for that matter anyone you might have sex with,,,,,,,,,,,,might convey?
1Cor 6:13 You say, “Food for the stomach and the stomach for food, and God will destroy them both.”The body, however, is not meant for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14 By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also. 15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16 Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.” 17 But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit.

Shakeel said:

Failing to appreciate would be false. I outright reject that and it has nothing to do with the Bible.

Why, was God too weak to handle it?

His throne? Philippians 2:11 "and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

Matthew 11:11 says "Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he."

Apparently he wasn't the greatest.

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John the Baptist was born of a woman and was a prophet under the old order.

Jesus Christ is the first man to have been resurrected from the dead. As the scriptures say, 'Thou art my Son, this day have l begotten thee'.[Psalm 2:7; Hebrews 1:5; Hebrews 5:5]

Those who follow Christ, and are found faithful in Christ, belong to his kingdom.

So, yes, Jesus Christ was raised as heir to a throne in heaven; a position of dominion that he occupies at this time. [See Daniel 7:13,14]

Thief said:

He never wanted a crown on His head

of Himself He did say......brother and fellow servant

anytime someone mentioned ....crowns
He got up and left

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Well, he knew that he would be King someday when he returns. Many OT prophecies on that too, esp from Gen 49 and up. David was even told that someone from you David, would be a King and to restore your throne again. Moses in Deut 18. Psalms, Zach.....

But yes, your right in a way that he knew that he wasnt King yet... John 6 tells of people that were going to kidnap Jesus that day and make him king, but he ran and hide himself. His time wasnt meant to be yet.

Brian2 said:

It sounds like the words of others in the Bible about Jesus just debunk your favourite theory about Jesus, that He is not God. Peter calls Him YHWH by applying an OT prophecy about YHWH to Jesus. (1Pet 2:8 quoting Isa 8:14). The writer of Hebrews does the same. (Heb 1:10 quoting Ps 102:25)

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Fact is, Jesus is NOT God by his own words, so, how can Jesus be God by the words of others ??? Sounds like you believe in the words of others more than you believe in the words of God or His prophet, Jesus.

Brian2 said:

Thomas calls Jesus "My God" (John 20:28,29) and Jesus agrees.
John 20:28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

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Firstly, the passage you quoted DID NOT mention anything about a resurrected Jesus or any wounds/nail marks. In context, the other disciples told Thomas they have seen Jesus alive (John 20:25), not dead as many have believed. Thomas, still thinking Jesus was crucified would obviously think Jesus somehow must have survived the crucifixion, and that’s why Thomas said he would only believe the man is Jesus only if he can see the wound/nail marks on Jesus’ hands (John 20:25). When Thomas came face-to-face with Jesus, Jesus showed his hands and side to Thomas and asked him to put his finger at where the wound/nail marks were supposed to be if he was crucified.

Now, let’s pause here and think with logic and rationale – why would Jesus have to ask Thomas to put his finger into the wounds ?? If Jesus was really crucified, wouldn’t Thomas see the wound and nail marks with his own naked eyes ?? We are not talking about someone being crucified with tiny pins here, we are talking about someone being crucified with huge nails hammered into his hands and his side speared !! Moreover, it would be crazy for anyone whose hands had just been hammered by nails to ask anyone to put his finger into the gaping wounds !! The obvious reason why Jesus asked Thomas to put his finger into the place where the wound/nail marks would have been if he was crucified, is because he wanted Thomas to see and feel that THERE ARE NO WOUND/NAIL MARKS ON HIS BODY, PROVING HE WAS NOT CRUCIFIED, LET ALONE, KILLED.

Christians only assume (and boy, did they assume a lot!) that Jesus was showing wound marks to prove he was crucified and had come back from the dead when the reason Jesus showed his hands and feet was to prove HE WAS ALIVE, not killed and in realizing this, his disciples were filled with joy and amazement – ‘They were startled and frightened, thinking they saw a ghost. He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in your minds? Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have. When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet. And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?”’ – Luke 24:37-41. Your own scripture clearly told you why Jesus showed his hands and feet to his disciples !!

Secondly, Jesus himself NEVER said anything about resurrection nor any wound/nail marks. Thomas, who was expecting to see wound/nail marks on Jesus as he thought Jesus was crucified but somehow survived, would understandably, be in a state of shock and disbelief when he realized Jesus was NOT even crucified nor killed as Jesus had just shown him his uninjured hands and feet, and Thomas reacted with an exclamation of “My Lord and my God!”.

‘My Lord’ because Jesus is a respected Rabbi and Jews called their rabbis ‘lords’ and ‘my God!’ is an exclamation of shock and disbelief when one sees something unbelievable and in this case, Thomas came to the realization of the shocking truth that the man he thought was crucified and killed was now standing in front of him is very much alive.

Brian2 said:

John said that the Jews wanted to stone Jesus because Jesus claimed equality with God by claiming to be the Son of God. The Jews knew what He was claiming, the same as what the Trinitarians say, that the Son has the same nature as His Father.

John 5:16 So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

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As expected, more assumptions as Jesus NEVER claimed/implied he’s God the Son nor is he equal to God….but, you can prove me wrong by quoting Jesus’ words claiming or even implying he’s God/equal to God.

As for the Jews, they were just finding reasons to get rid of Jesus and the only way they can get rid of Jesus permanently is to accused him of blasphemy (to which Jesus denied), which by the Law of the time, carries the death penalty by crucifixion. The fact that Jesus denied any blasphemy, means he’s denying he’s God or equal to God.

Brian2 said:

David calls Him God even though as a man He has a God who became His God when He became a man.
Psalm 45:6Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever, and justice is the scepter of Your kingdom. 7You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you above your companions with the oil of joy.…

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More conjectures obviously. Try to justify your claims of who Jesus is by quoting Jesus’ words or from God Almighty, NOT the words of other people as their words DO NOT make Jesus God.

Brian2 said:

Psalm 22: 10From birth I was cast on you;from my mother’s womb you have been my God.I'm too tired to go on but I could find many more I'm sure, and in there are words of Jesus agreeing with what Thomas said.

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Well, try to read Psalm 22 in its context and in its entirety and NOT just cherry pick a verse here and a verse there as preached by your preachers and scholars.

If you do read Psalm 22 in its entirety, you will note that Psalm 22:19 onwards is telling you that God will save Jesus from the crucifixion because God has listen to his cry for help. The word ‘BUT’ at the very beginning of Psalm 22:19, tells us the earlier verses (Psalm 22:1-18) are what people will perceive as to what happened but the reality (Psalm 22:19 onwards) is God will hear Jesus’ cry for help and will save him (Psalm 22:24). In a way, that also explain to why Jesus, when he reappeared to his disciples AFTER the supposed crucifixion and resurrection, NEVER spoke of any wound mark, not even his so-called resurrection.

Brian2 said:

But whether or not the words of Jesus does not matter and is just another silly argument that people use.

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Well, ignoring Jesus own words of who he is and heavily relying on the words of other people to claim Jesus is God is just another silly argument that Trinitarians use to support their man-made belief.

Brian2 said:

Yes Jesus took the nature of a servant when He became a man. He did not have that nature before that, He had just the nature of God and was equal to God (and was the Son then also) but thought of what His Father wanted and did that, He became a servant and man and learned obedience unto death.
Phil 2 is a chapter about humility amongst equals and Jesus is the perfect example of that.
Phil 2:6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!

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More conjectures obviously …. and is Philippians 2 the words of Jesus or the words of Paul ???? Yup, I thought so.

As I said earlier, Christians who claim Jesus is God, always made one, if not all, of these common responses in their effort to support their ‘Jesus is God’ belief :

1) They rarely quote the words of Jesus but instead they, more often than not, quote the words of others like Paul, the NT scribes, and so on…

2) If they do quote Jesus’ words, they either misinterpret, understood his words literally or they try to ‘tailor-fit’ their belief into Jesus’ words with conjectures

3) they make a lot of assumptions of what Jesus never said and they ignore what Jesus really did say.

You are just proving me right every time you try to support your man-made 'Jesus is God’ belief.

moorea944 said:

Is there a verse that he told everyone that he was King? And what verse does he tell people to serve him...... His kingdom hasnt come yet. He will setup his Kingdom at his return. But if you can give me those two verses, that would be great. Thanks.

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The kingdom of God is not a visible kingdom on earth at present. It exists as a kingdom of faith during the Church age. Faith is not visible. The visible kingdom, to which you refer, is brought to earth at the coming of Christ at his return.

Daniel 7:13,14. is a reference to the ascension of Jesus Christ, 'like the Son of man', coming to his Father, 'the Ancient of days', with the clouds of heaven. It is in heaven that Jesus is given dominion, as stated in verse 14.

The dispensation in which we now live, the Church age, began at Pentecost when the Holy Spirit was sent from the Father, through his Son, to those who repent and place their faith in Jesus as Saviour. In 2 Peter 3:9,10, we learn that this present age is a time of 'longsuffering' for God, who is 'not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance'. In other words, God is holding off his judgement, and vengeance, in order that more people might be saved.

In Revelation 2:25-27 it says, 'And he shall rule them with a rod of iron'. This is clearly not the age of grace, but the rule of law under the king on earth. This tells me that Christ's coming as a servant is for the purpose of salvation, whilst his coming back as king is to judge and rule with law. But if you do not recognise Jesus the servant as the anointed king, how will you possibly recognise him as the King of Kings?