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Can the soul die?

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Isn't having faith and believing based on the opinions of others?
If I may interject, having faith and believing should not be based on opinions of other people. Belief in God should be based upon one's own independent search for truth and faith comes when we find that truth and are certain of it.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
If I may interject, having faith and believing should not be based on opinions of other people. Belief in God should be based upon one's own independent search for truth and faith comes when we find that truth and are certain of it.
Ok. Then I must ask, isn't most, if not all faith based off the bible, koran, etc and what other people said?
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
With all due respect, who did god speak to and what did he tell them?
God spoke to Baha'u'llah who is the Messenger of God for this age. God told Him a lot of stuff, the equivalent of 15,000 tablets that He wrote in His own pen. Only about 15% of those tablets have as yet been translated into English and compiled into books and they can be found in the Baha’i Reference Library:

Baha’i Reference Library (old version)
Baha’i Reference Library (new version, downloadable)

The Works of Bahá'u'lláh
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
I edited my post...
"I don't believe in god or what the bible says.
In my opinion reading the bible is like reading a superman comic. Its fairy tales.

But at least I was honest and told you I only scanned it."

Isn't having faith and believing based on the opinions of others?
Yes, you were honest, and I appreciate that... always. :)

Is faith and believing based on opinion of other?
Is believing that my grandad fought in WW1 based on opinions of others? No.
It is not an opinion. It's a stated truth, or fact, which I can investigate, if I see the need to, but why do so, if I have a reliable source?
Even if one refers to it as an opinion, it's an objective opinion, and a primary source. It may be backed up by secondary sources as well, and other eyewitnesses.

I believe we have enough secondary sources backing up the primary sources, which are stated truths, or facts, to be convinced, not based on opinion, but evidence of credibility.
What do you think?
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Ok. Then I must ask, isn't most, if not all faith based off the bible, koran, etc and what other people said?
No, my faith is based upon the Baha'i Writings that are in the Baha'i Reference Library that I just posted the links to.

Yes, that is based upon what Baha'u'llah has said, but that is the only way to know what God has said since God does not speak directly to anyone except His Messengers.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
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Yes, you were honest, and I appreciate that... always. :)

Is faith and believing based on opinion of other?
Is believing that my grandad fought in WW1 based on opinions of others? No.
It is not an opinion. It's a stated truth, or fact, which I can investigate, if I see the need to, but why do so, if I have a reliable source?
Even if one refers to it as an opinion, it's an objective opinion, and a primary source. It may be backed up by secondary sources as well, and other eyewitnesses.

I believe we have enough secondary sources backing up the primary sources, which are stated truths, or facts, to be convinced, not based on opinion, but evidence of credibility.
What do you think?
I think faith is a personal choice that an individual should make regardless of what they are told or what others think. I think it benefits others with hope, gives some the strength to carry on and gives something to look foward to.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
No, my faith is based upon the Baha'i Writings that are in the Baha'i Reference Library that I just posted the links to.

Yes, that is based upon what Baha'u'llah has said, but that is the only way to know what God has said since God does not speak directly to anyone except His Messengers.
Here's the thing. If a god does exist, then only one religion is right, the rest are wrong.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
I think faith is a personal choice that an individual should make regardless of what they are told or what others think. I think it benefits others with hope, gives some the strength to carry on and gives something to look forward to.
If I may interject again, I do not think people should have faith just because it offers hope and gives them the strength to carry on and something to look forward to. Religion does offer those things but the reason we should believe in a religion is because it is true, not for the benefits it offers, because if a religion is the truth from God that has certain implications.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Here's the thing. If a god does exist, then only one religion is right, the rest are wrong.
That is not what I believe. I believe all the religions are right, although the older religions have been messed with my man so they are devoid of much of the truth that was originally revealed by God to the Messengers.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Aren't all religions of man's doings?
No, religion originally comes from God. Religion is is the Revelation from God to man through a Messenger of God. It is fresh and new when it is first revealed but over time it gets corrupted by man so it becomes a religion of man. That is one reason God sends a new Messenger in every age, to renew and revitalize religion. God also sends a new Messenger to establish a new religion when the prior religion has fulfilled it's purpose. Each Messenger comes with a new message that is suited to the times in which we live.

“And now concerning thy question regarding the nature of religion. Know thou that they who are truly wise have likened the world unto the human temple. As the body of man needeth a garment to clothe it, so the body of mankind must needs be adorned with the mantle of justice and wisdom. Its robe is the Revelation vouchsafed unto it by God. Whenever this robe hath fulfilled its purpose, the Almighty will assuredly renew it. For every age requireth a fresh measure of the light of God. Every Divine Revelation hath been sent down in a manner that befitted the circumstances of the age in which it hath appeared.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 81
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
Aren't all religions of man's doings?
Actually that's a very good observation.
The word religion means basically - a form of worship.
Key words there... a form. Which means ...
Religion
Are you talking to God? ;)
Wouldn't it be better to research these matters?
You may be surprised at the different answers you find, which contradict much of what you are being told.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
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I think faith is a personal choice that an individual should make regardless of what they are told or what others think. I think it benefits others with hope, gives some the strength to carry on and gives something to look foward to.
Yes. Faith and hope are inseparably linked. Not blind faith. Although that can have hope, but it's only a wishful hope.
One has to build their own faith, based on what they see and hear.
 

Neuropteron

Active Member
If you look at Ezekiel 18:20 in the kjv.It says the soul that sins it shall die.It doesn't say he or she will die.It says it shall die(referring to the soul).Also in James 5:20 it says the exact opposite.

Soul in the Bible is synonim with "person" or "being" . In other words a translation that read " the person that sins will die" is just as accurate as saying "the soul that sins will die".

We should keep in mind that the concept of living after death would completely invalidate the scriptural doctrine of the resurrection and make the ransom sacrifice of Christ an empty gesture.

Additionally it would give credence to the lie that Satan told Eve that she would not die but gain a divine equality.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Thanks for asking.
Soul
The original-language terms (Heb., neʹphesh [נֶפֶשׁ]; Gr., psy·kheʹ [ψυχή]) as used in the Scriptures show “soul” to be a person, an animal, or the life that a person or an animal enjoys.

The connotations that the English “soul” commonly carries in the minds of most persons are not in agreement with the meaning of the Hebrew and Greek words as used by the inspired Bible writers. This fact has steadily gained wider acknowledgment. Back in 1897, in the Journal of Biblical Literature (Vol. XVI, p. 30), Professor C. A. Briggs, as a result of detailed analysis of the use of neʹphesh, observed: “Soul in English usage at the present time conveys usually a very different meaning from נפש [neʹphesh] in Hebrew, and it is easy for the incautious reader to misinterpret.”
So, back to my original post.
There is no proof, other than ancient scriptures, that any such thing exists.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Not quite, actually. Things exist that don't die -- rocks, card tables and so forth. The real first question is "is the soul alive?"

I'd love to see that one answered.
Sorry, it is not. We have to establish it is a 'thing' first.
I can see rocks, card tables and so forth. I've never seen, felt, heard, smelt or what ever a soul
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
That moves us on ... what is it then?
Since you are an atheist I am not going to throw a bunch of scriptures at you that you would not understand but rather I am going to give you a description of the soul that I wrote up from what I have learned from my religion.

The soul is a sign of God, a heavenly gem whose reality the most learned of men hath failed to grasp, and whose mystery no mind, however acute, can ever hope to unravel.

The soul is not “in” the body but rather it is associated with the body and it directs the body and brain and mind. It is the soul that directs human faculties. As outer circumstances are communicated to the soul by the eyes, ears, and brain, the soul communicates its desires through the brain to the physical body, which thereby expresses itself.

The soul works through the brain and while we are alive on earth in a physical body, but when we die and no longer have a physical body the soul continues to live. It lives forever, and that is why it is called an immortal soul.

The soul is the sum total of the personality so it is the person himself; the physical body is pure matter with no real identity. The person, after he dies and leaves his physical body behind remains the same person, and he goes to the spiritual world where he continues the life he conducted in the physical world. The soul takes on some kind of a spiritual form made up of elements that exist in the spiritual world.

“The human spirit which distinguishes man from the animal is the rational soul, and these two names—the human spirit and the rational soul—designate one thing. This spirit, which in the terminology of the philosophers is the rational soul, embraces all beings, and as far as human ability permits discovers the realities of things and becomes cognizant of their peculiarities and effects, and of the qualities and properties of beings” Some Answered Questions, p. 208
 
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