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Atheism or No Intelligence Allowed

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
Incorrect. If there were proof then your faith would have no need to exist. You have faith therefore there is no proof

The sky is observed to appear blue. Do you have such observation of god? If not your statement is illogical
Look at my file above.

Dr. Richard Dawkins in the movie Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed said:
``I am atheist because there is no proof that God exists."
It is not logical, the same level of dishonesty has this sentence:
``I am atheist because the sky is blue." He would demonstrate a reason to be an atheist
if he would say: ``I am atheist, because there is proof that God does not exist."
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Look at my file above.

Dr. Richard Dawkins in the movie Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed said:
``I am atheist because there is no proof that God exists."
It is not logical, the same level of dishonesty has this sentence:
``I am atheist because the sky is blue." He would demonstrate a reason to be an atheist
if he would say: ``I am atheist, because there is proof that God does not exist."
Why does it bother you so much if someone claim to be an atheist? Does He not have a right to claim that he does not find a proof of God, as you have a right to claim you can prove God exit?
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
You can't prove a negative.
Such as, you cannot disprove the murderous shadow stalker in your room, watching your every move, waiting until you are at your most comfortable and secure before killing you. You cannot prove that is bullocks and doesn't exist.
If you could go back though, you could. If something is there, you will be able to prove he/she was there. So your example is poor.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Dr. Richard Dawkins in the movie Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed said:
``I am atheist because there is no proof that God exists."
It is not logical, the same level of dishonesty has this sentence:
``I am atheist because the sky is blue." He would demonstrate a reason to be an atheist
if he would say: ``I am atheist, because there is proof that God does not exist."

No, atheism is the null hypothesis. When it comes to believing something one should believe after sufficient evidence of the claim is presented.

Do you believe in Bigfoot? Or are you a Bigfoot non-believer because:

"I don't believe in Bigfoot because there is no proof that Bigfoot exists."

Take away the God claim and it is easy to see that one does not believe without evidence. The God belief was hammered into you from childhood and most do not know how to overcome that indoctrination.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Dr. Richard Dawkins in the movie Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed said:
``I am atheist because there is no proof that God exists."
It is not logical, the same level of dishonesty has this sentence:
``I am atheist because the sky is blue." He would demonstrate a reason to be an atheist
if he would say: ``I am atheist, because there is proof that God does not exist."

I don't believe Dawkins ever used those words. I think the quote has been made up or tampered with.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Dr. Richard Dawkins in the movie Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed said:
``I am atheist because there is no proof that God exists."
It is not logical, the same level of dishonesty has this sentence:
``I am atheist because the sky is blue." He would demonstrate a reason to be an atheist
if he would say: ``I am atheist, because there is proof that God does not exist."

This is the film that Dawkins was duped into being in ...

Dawkins rails at 'creationist front' for duping him into film role

It is about 15-years old.
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
No, atheism is the null hypothesis. When it comes to believing something one should believe after sufficient evidence of the claim is presented.

Dr. Richard Dawkins in the movie Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed said:
``I am atheist because there is no proof that God exists."
First of all, it is incomplete. Let us read between the lines:
``I am atheist because there is no [globally accepted] proof that God exists and I want
to be atheist." He would demonstrate an un-emotional reason to be an atheist
if he would say: ``I am atheist, because there is proof that God
does not exist."
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
If you don't give God nor his Messengers nor any of their believers a chance to guide you and prove God, then blame yourself. If you hate believers so much that you reject all their reminders that prove God and his existence, blame no one, but yourself.

Yes, he is Atheist, because he doesn't see proofs for God. He is not the standard for humanity that we have to accept him as intelligent and honest to himself, neither is something we have to accept. This is while honesty radiates from the honest ones, and those who testify to God know God is a proof of himself.

But aside for being a proof for himself, his vision also is required and is a component that is part of who we are, we exist in his judgment and vision, and nothing with identity can exist with a reality other then God's perfect judgment or else would be false.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Dr. Richard Dawkins in the movie Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed said:
``I am atheist because there is no proof that God exists."
First of all, it is incomplete. Let us read between the lines:
``I am atheist because there is no [globally accepted] proof that God exists and I want
to be atheist." He would demonstrate an un-emotional reason to be an atheist
if he would say: ``I am atheist, because there is proof that God
does not exist."
When one tries to "read between the lines" they are usually trying to create a false narrative.

And he was speaking informally. So one needs to let him get away with some terminology.

Properly speaking one would say "I am an atheist because there is no reliable evidence for God". He was not asking for a "globally accepted proof" that is your false narrative.

You are making the error of shifting the burden of proof, which only demonstrates that Dawkins was right. Atheists do not have the burden of proof, theists do.
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
When one tries to "read between the lines" they are usually trying to create a false narrative.

And he was speaking informally. So one needs to let him get away with some terminology.

Properly speaking one would say "I am an atheist because there is no reliable evidence for God". He was not asking for a "globally accepted proof" that is your false narrative.

You are making the error of shifting the burden of proof, which only demonstrates that Dawkins was right. Atheists do not have the burden of proof, theists do.

If Theists have the burden to present proofs, then Atheists have the burden to listen to those proofs attentively. In my experience, Atheists tend to be stubborn, no matter how clear the signs and proof is, they will deny.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Proof of Theism:
1. atheism can be strong or weak. Thus, if the strong atheistic position would be proven illogical, then the weak atheism is illogical too.
2. Strong Atheism is not logical.
3. Thus, theism is proven.
I'd give up on a career in logic, if I were you...
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
If you don't give God nor his Messengers nor any of their believers a chance to guide you and prove God, then blame yourself. If you hate believers so much that you reject all their reminders that prove God and his existence, blame no one, but yourself.

Yes, he is Atheist, because he doesn't see proofs for God. He is not the standard for humanity that we have to accept him as intelligent and honest to himself, neither is something we have to accept. This is while honesty radiates from the honest ones, and those who testify to God know God is a proof of himself.

But aside for being a proof for himself, his vision also is required and is a component that is part of who we are, we exist in his judgment and vision, and nothing with identity can exist with a reality other then God's perfect judgment or else would be false.
And this is false as well. You also take on a huge burden of proof. How do you know that atheists did not God a chance? Most have. Honest people do not believe until sufficient evidence has been provided. All you do with this sort of argument is demonstrate that Dawkins was right. Why not do what you theists should have done a long time ago. Find valid evidence for a God.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
If Theists have the burden to present proofs, then Atheists have the burden to listen to those proofs attentively. In my experience, Atheists tend to be stubborn, no matter how clear the signs and proof is, they will deny.
Yes, if theists can find evidence. The odds are that all you have are poor arguments filled with logical fallacies. But go ahead. What is the "proof" of God?
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
And this is false as well. You also take on a huge burden of proof. How do you know that atheists did not God a chance? Most have. Honest people do not believe until sufficient evidence has been provided. All you do with this sort of argument is demonstrate that Dawkins was right. Why not do what you theists should have done a long time ago. Find valid evidence for a God.

I proved God sufficiently at the end of the post. Identity can't exist without perfect judgment defining it, and that perfect judgment can only be God's.
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Yes, if theists can find evidence. The odds are that all you have are poor arguments filled with logical fallacies. But go ahead. What is the "proof" of God?

That God sees you, and that you can't exist without that vision. Who you are and his vision are linked, that remembering who you are, well remind you of his vision, which will remind you of the perfect absolute judge.
 
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