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Is Biden Partially Responsible For People Not Getting Vacinated?

Is Biden sending the wrong meesage about vaccinations

  • Yes

    Votes: 2 8.7%

  • No

    Votes: 19 82.6%

  • Possibly

    Votes: 2 8.7%
  • Total voters
    23
  • Poll closed .
Shaul

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Biden is partially to blame. His Administration promulgates contradictory positions. For example it supports reopening schools but supports teacher unions opposing reopening them. The Administration tolerates “experts” that grandstand and spout shifting positions. Then there are the fumbles with the vaccine supplies due to this Administration’s bungling. To be sure there is plenty of blame to go around. But this Administration certainly is responsible for some of the public’s hesitation to get vaccinated.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Unveiled Artist said:
Why do you keep saying people are refusing to accept the facts?
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There are many who deny covid exists. There are many who deny masks work. Many who deny their actions effect others. Many who deny the vaccines are effective, safe, and free of malicious clandestine purposes. Lots of people have denied covid is serious and deadly. They have denied children and teens are susceptible.
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Shadow Wolf said:
There are many who deny covid exists. There are many who deny masks work. Many who deny their actions effect others. Many who deny the vaccines are effective, safe, and free of malicious clandestine purposes. Lots of people have denied covid is serious and deadly. They have denied children and teens are susceptible.
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That's a small minority. My point is not everyone who says they aren't taking the vaccine are anti-vaccine, anti-mask, and anti this or that. Not all who are these things are political and basically, at least online, I've never seen anyone but pro-vaccine/mask/this or that cause more fuss than the people they are accusing. It's fine that you disagree with those particular groups of people, but disagreeing with a minority doesn't mean the majority of people who don't take the vaccine are ignoring the facts. That's a fallacy and based on a presumption solely on deciding not to take the vaccine and nothing else (that you've mentioned).
 
Q

QuestioningMind

Well-Known Member
Twilight Hue said:
I think its the butt hurt folks who wear one that are the loudest over those who don't.

Yep. We are a nation full of butts.


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Huge difference between getting butt-hurt over someone doing something that doesn't effect you in the least and voicing concern about someone not doing something that could potential spread a deadly disease. Amazing that you apparently can't recognize that.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
QuestioningMind said:
Huge difference between getting butt-hurt over someone doing something that doesn't effect you in the least and voicing concern about someone not doing something that could potential spread a deadly disease. Amazing that you apparently can't recognize that.
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Oh no. I wear a mask when required until herd immunity is achieved. If people don't wear a mask, neither do I.

It's like smoker courtesy.
 
crossfire

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
I credit President Trump with Project Warp Speed, which got the vaccines to us so quickly. Why anyone not wanting to take these vaccines is blaming Biden for that is totally beyond me.
 
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exchemist

exchemist

Veteran Member
crossfire said:
I credit President Trump with Project Warp Speed, which got the vaccines to us so quickly. Why anyone not wanting to take these vaccines is blaming Biden for that is totally beyond me.
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Well they've got to find a way to blame him for something, or they won't have an excuse to overthrow US democracy in 4 years from now. :D
 
Willamena

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
esmith said:
We hear constantlly from this administration that everyone should be vaccinated against Covid.
Yet we continue to see Biden wearing a mask outdoors when the CDC says it is not necessary.
Given that, is Biden sending the wrong message? Basically saying even if you are vaccinated you are not safe.
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Just the opposite. He is saying that even if I am vaccinated, you are not safe until this virus is gone. None of us are.

And, of course, we cannot take the chance that anyone is.

I was always thought that a leader should set the example.
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Indeed.
 
Kooky

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
exchemist said:
Well they've got to find a way to blame him for something, or they won't have an excuse to overthrow US democracy in 4 years from now. :D
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Oh, I'm sure something will come up in the meantime. And if no such inciting incident can be found in time, somebody on the Internet will certainly stand ready to create an even stupider conspiracy theory than Pizzagate to justify more right-wing violence.
 
ecco

ecco

Veteran Member
Shaul said:
New Biden is partially to blame. His Administration promulgates contradictory positions. For example it supports reopening schools but supports teacher unions opposing reopening them. The
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The teacher's unions are not opposing reopening schools. They are against reopening schools before all teachers and older students are vaccinated. They are against reopening schools before adequate measures are in place to ensure everyone's safety. Those are not contradictory positions.

Shaul said:
The Administration tolerates “experts” that grandstand and spout shifting positions.
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Can you give some examples. Examples better than and more realistic than the one about schools.

Shaul said:
Then there are the fumbles with the vaccine supplies due to this Administration’s bungling.
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Can you give some examples. Examples better than and more realistic than the one about schools.

Shaul said:
To be sure there is plenty of blame to go around. But this Administration certainly is responsible for some of the public’s hesitation to get vaccinated.
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Yeah. Trump was so much better at setting good examples for the sheeple. Examples like rallies without masks. Uh huh.
 
ecco

ecco

Veteran Member
Unveiled Artist said:
People read the facts and come up with decisions based on those facts.
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The facts are that 582,000 Americans died of Covid.
The facts are that 0 Americans died from the Covid vaccine.
The facts are that 1 in 515 Americans died of Covid.
The facts are that 0 in 100,000,000 Americans died from the Covid vaccine.

How can one come up with a rational reason for not getting vaccinated based on those facts?
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
ecco said:
The facts are that 582,000 Americans died of Covid.
The facts are that 0 Americans died from the Covid vaccine.
The facts are that 1 in 515 Americans died of Covid.
The facts are that 0 in 100,000,000 Americans died from the Covid vaccine.

How can one come up with a rational reason for not getting vaccinated based on those facts?
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You misquoted me.

@Shadow Wolf
 
ecco

ecco

Veteran Member
crossfire said:
I credit President Trump with Project Warp Speed, which got the vaccines to us so quickly. Why anyone not wanting to take these vaccines is blaming Biden for that is totally beyond me.
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Please tell us what actions Trump took. In your own words from reliable sources.

Here is one of the things he did...

Trump administration spent billions in hospital funds on Warp Speed
WASHINGTON — The Trump administration quietly took around $10 billion from a fund meant to help hospitals and health care providers affected by Covid-19 and used the money to bankroll Operation Warp Speed contracts, four former Trump administration officials told STAT.


The Trump White House’s attitude was that agencies shouldn’t ask Congress for more money until they spent the Covid-19 relief money they had already received, the former HHS official said. That same attitude also motivated the administration’s active lobbying effort to deny states more funds to help distribute vaccines.​


With the expectation of selling billions of shots of a vaccine, many companies began vaccine research.

Far more important are the other things he did:
He downplayed the threat for at least a month.
He ridiculed science and made an *** of himself by asking that doctors look into injecting/drinking bleach.
He ridiculed science and made an *** of himself by his refusal to accept mask wearing.
He did nothing to improve the availability and distribution of good masks and oxygen supplies.
He disparaged states from shutting down businesses like bars.
 
ecco

ecco

Veteran Member
Unveiled Artist said:
You misquoted me.
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How so? Did you not say:
Unveiled Artist said:
People read the facts and come up with decisions based on those facts.
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You also said:
Unveiled Artist said:
Those decisions may be in conflict with another person's decisions, and that's okay. No one is dumb for making opposing decisions when both decisions are based on the same source and accepted by both parties.
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crossfire said:
I credit President Trump with Project Warp Speed, which got the vaccines to us so quickly.
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Unveiled Artist said:
A person not taking the vaccine in and of itself does not mean he or she are refusing the facts.
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How did I misquote you?
 
esmith

esmith

Veteran Member
ecco said:
That's a rather long and complex article. Perhaps you could summarize the findings in a few paragraphs in your own words.
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Your reading comprehension appears to have issues.
Suggest remedial reading education.
 
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