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Jesus's death on the cross..
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According to the Bible the Bible stories are credible - even the priests say so. I guess that clinches it. :biglaugh:SoulTYPE01 said:
linwood
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Mark 15:34
And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Matthew 26:39
And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou [wilt].
I won`t argue that he didn`t volunteer but it does not seem he was eager.
(Yes Deut, I remember Psalms 22)
And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Matthew 26:39
And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou [wilt].
I won`t argue that he didn`t volunteer but it does not seem he was eager.
(Yes Deut, I remember Psalms 22)
linwood
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That was nifty if not ..irrational.Deut. 32.8 said:
I agree Christianity seems to place far more emphasis on the crucifiction than the resurrection which strikes me as odd considering I believe Christianity either stands or falls on the truth of the resurrection.
Overall though the explanation of the Halakhic Law seems a terribly unjust way of insuring justice.
If that doesn`t make any sense it`s not my fault, I didn`t concieve the concept behind the law.
Edit:
I just had a look around the site that article was posted on.
I like it, Thanks Deut.
Hope
Princesinha
He did have a choice. As long as you believe He was the actual Son of God. Being God he could have done whatever he wanted. But He chose to submit Himself to the authorities, and to allow Himself to be tortured and killed. Which, to me, is mind-blowing. Suppose you had this friend. Now suppose you did something really bad ( like murder or something ). Well, you are about to be executed, when along comes this friend, he sets you free, and then takes your place to be executed. Only because he loves you. How would that make you feel? I see this as being very similar to what Jesus did. He didn't have to do what He did. But because He loved us so amazingly much, He took our punishment upon Himself. It's that simple! Jesus himself said that "greater love hath no man than this: to lay down his life for a friend..." Well, He fulfilled this greatest love Himself...:162:SoulTYPE01 said:
As far as his earthly executioners go He very well could have saved himself. He was the Son of God. With the waive of His hand He could have destroyed the world. Even God would have let Him back down if He asked, but He prayed, "Let thy will be done." Thisis our challenge: accept His will especially when it conflicts with our own.SoulTYPE01 said:
Actually, I referenced a rather detailed article from someone I deem credible. You predictably ignored the reference. Whether this was primarily because you were anxious to deposit your silly rejoinder, or simply because you see only what you wish to see, is really up to you to explain.SoulTYPE01 said:
As for the topic at hand, you might read Who Killed Jesus?: Exposing the Roots of Anti-Semitism in the Gospel Story of the Death of Jesus, by John Dominic Crossan - but you won't.
In terms of mainstream New Testament scholarship, you might pick up The History and Theology of the New Testament Writings and Ancient Christian Gospels: Their History and Development, by Helmut Koester - but you won't.
And that you won't see, and that you won't do, is just fine with me ...
But you did not point out previously that the person was credible.
Silly rejoinder my ***.
I do not know what you are up to D32, but, if you want to predict things about me, go ahead. Just get of my case and keep your predictions to yourself.
It's just like you to spoil something..
Silly rejoinder my ***.
I do not know what you are up to D32, but, if you want to predict things about me, go ahead. Just get of my case and keep your predictions to yourself.
It's just like you to spoil something..
That's a real sleeper, Reaper. :biglaugh:SoulTYPE01 said:
On the contrary, I think it fully rational if one accepts its theological underpinnings. Only the 'clean' can be resurrected. Your responsibility to me as a fellow Jew is to do to me whatever is necessary to fully compensate for my sin(s) so that when the time arrives, I warrant resurection. Punishment was thereby a form of purification. Primitive, yes, but it was a primitive time.linwood said:
The Bible and Interpretation is, in my opinion, an excellent site and very much worth monitoring. I typically check it a couple of times a week.linwood said: