How can a Jew reject Jesus as the Messiah?

shunyadragon said:

This represents a problem with Christianity not Judaism.

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The split of Christianity and Judaism took place during the first centuries CE.[2][3]While the First Jewish–Roman War and the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE were main events, the separation was a long-term process, in which the boundaries were not clear-cut.[2][3]

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Skywalker said:

Echad doesn't imply solitary oneness. Trinity: Oneness in unity not in number: Yachid vs. Echad

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Skywalker said:

God does all things decently and in order. God is not the author of confusion. 1 Corinthians 14:40

Let all things be done decently and in order.

1 Corinthians 14:33

For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Some people associate Christianity with the division of Christianity and Judaism, which can be and are practiced separately, and I wouldn't word it together in the context of Messianic Judaism, but following Jesus and following the Old Testament are not mutually exclusive. It's just a semantics detail. It doesn't represent a problem with Christianity. Jewish Christian - Wikipedia

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shunyadragon said:

I consider the Tanakh as a whole, and it remains . . .

Considering the Tanakh as a whole all Jewish scholars agree, God is ONE, only One, Oneness in unity and number.

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Satan, the devil, is real. The word “Satan” comes from Hebrew which literally means “adversary.” The first mention of the term Satan is found in the book of Job 1-2 (adversary of Job), which is one of the oldest books in the Bible. Satan is also found in Zechariah 3:1-2 (accusing Joshua the High Priest) and 1 Chron. 21:1 (moving David to number Israel). Satan is the leader of the evil forces. He is known as Lucifer, which is the name of the fallen Angel who opposes God and mankind. He is also known as Beelzubul, the evil one, and the devil. So, yes, the devil is real.

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Skywalker said:

God does all things decently and in order. God is not the author of confusion. 1 Corinthians 14:40

Let all things be done decently and in order.

1 Corinthians 14:33

For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Some people associate Christianity with the division of Christianity and Judaism, which can be and are practiced separately, and I wouldn't word it together in the context of Messianic Judaism, but following Jesus and following the Old Testament are not mutually exclusive. It's just a semantics detail. It doesn't represent a problem with Christianity. Jewish Christian - Wikipedia

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shunyadragon said:

The confusion and disunity is a human problem and not God's as in many conflicting variations of Christianity and all the religions through the millennia and around the world.

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Skywalker said:

Some Christians believe that there is no devil, that doesn't mean that's what the Bible teaches. Does Satan Exist? Is the devil real? Yes, he is very real | carm.org

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shunyadragon said:

Jewish Christianity by any other name remains another division of many in Christianity

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Skywalker said:

A Jewish believer in Jesus who I know said that he's a follower of the Messiah of Israel. Saying he's a Jewish Christian would sound like two faiths in one, but that doesn't mean that he doesn't celebrate Easter because he doesn't want it to look like two faiths-that's just an issue of semantics. He doesn't celebrate Easter because since he already celebrates Passover, there's no need.

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shunyadragon said:

Satan is real in the ancient mythology of many religions and another God.

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Skywalker said:

Is your issue the linguistic details having to do with following Jesus and following Old Testament festivals and traditions? It's semantics. While some Christians use the term biblical Judaism when talking about the beliefs of the Old Testament, I don't think the people in the Old Testament used the term Judaism.

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Skywalker said:

Do you think Jewish and Christian are mutually exclusive? The term Judaism wasnt used in the Bible, but I don't disagree with Messianic Jews who use the term biblical Judaism when discussing not agreeing with Rabbinic tradition. Job believing in the coming redeemer and following Judaism were not mutually exclusive concepts-the only difference was that he probably didn't use the term Christian when talking about his faith. Some people associate Christianity with the division of Christianity and Judaism, and Jesus and following Old Testament festivals can be and are practiced separately, and I would use the term Messianic Judaism and not Judaism and Christianity, but following Jesus and following the Old Testament are not mutually exclusive.

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Skywalker said:

Even without the Bible people know evil is real. Look around you. A lot of things going on in the world are what Isaiah 5:20 mentions. Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! What's wrong is considered right and what's right is considered wrong.

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shunyadragon said:

It is not linguistic details and not semantics. It is simply the reality of another variation of Christianity, which there are many.

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Skywalker said:

Following Old Testament laws isn't relevant to God's calling for some believers and some people follow Old Testament laws without believing in Jesus but that doesn't mean that being Jewish and being Christian are mutually exclusive.

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Skywalker said:

The name of Jesus was Yeshua, which in Hebrew means God saves. Job didn't know that the name of the Redeemer was Yeshua, but he knew that the Messiah was his Redeemer and not a mere man. The second coming of Jesus will have political aspects, but the Messiah is a Redeemer and not a mere man. Does the Bible teach that there would be two comings of the Messiah? | GotQuestions.org



Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

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shunyadragon said:

The facts of the difference in religious beliefs and interpretation of the scripture makes the two religions different as a matter of fact.

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Skywalker said:

Some Jewish people believe in Jesus and they believe that Satan is the devil.

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shunyadragon said:

So what? Belief does not translate as fact. Again this does not justify the existence of incarnate evil.

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Skywalker said:

I was responding to you saying The facts of the difference in religious beliefs and interpretation of the scripture makes the two religions different as a matter of fact.

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