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Jesus' Four Failed Prophecies About Him Returning In The Lifetimes Of His Apostles

samtonga43

samtonga43

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Skywalker said:
The Bible never says that the Messiah is a political figure who isn't God. People have advanced many false messiahs and imposter Jesuses in their own image, but none has the power to save us or to transform us into new creations. That is the sole prerogative of Jesus Christ, if we'll follow and surrender to Him.
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Well said!
 
samtonga43

samtonga43

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Subduction Zone said:
No, that is a quote mine. A quote out of context. In context it does not mention the resurrection.

Did you know that the Bible says over 12 times "There is no God". Does that refute the existence of God or am I merely quoting out of context? By your standards I just refuted God using the Bible.
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You really don't see the difference, do you?
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Skywalker said:
I don't think God is looking for perfect people, but people who seek Him, and you also have to strive.
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I fully agree.

"Baháʼu'lláh taught that one should bring one's self to account each day, and be constantly concerned with self-improvement. Sin is an inevitable stumbling block, but it should not be allowed to halt one's spiritual progress. One should ask for forgiveness from God alone and then try to develop oneself through acquisition of virtues and communion with God (through prayer, fasting, meditation and other spiritual practices)."

Baháʼí views on sin

31: O SON OF BEING! Bring thyself to account each day ere thou art summoned to a reckoning; for death, unheralded, shall come upon thee and thou shalt be called to give account for thy deeds. The Hidden Words of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 11
 
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Skywalker

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Trailblazer said:
I fully agree.

"Baháʼu'lláh taught that one should bring one's self to account each day, and be constantly concerned with self-improvement. Sin is an inevitable stumbling block, but it should not be allowed to halt one's spiritual progress. One should ask for forgiveness from God alone and then try to develop oneself through acquisition of virtues and communion with God (through prayer, fasting, meditation and other spiritual practices)."

Baháʼí views on sin

31: O SON OF BEING! Bring thyself to account each day ere thou art summoned to a reckoning; for death, unheralded, shall come upon thee and thou shalt be called to give account for thy deeds. The Hidden Words of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 11
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You don't have to give up anything to seek God and strive. When you seek God and strive you naturally will want to do better and not be your own God.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Skywalker said:
You don't have to give up anything to seek God and strive. When you seek God and strive you naturally will want to do better and not be your own God.
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If you do not have to give anything up why did Jesus say to deny yourself?

Matthew 16:24-26 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Jesus tells His disciples to deny their selfish desires and to follow in His Way.because whoever lives for their selfish desires will lose his eternal life, but whoever sacrifices his life for the sake of Jesus and God will gain eternal life. It is the soul that gets eternal life, not the body.

If we live for self and the worldly things we gain the world but we lose our soul in the sense that we lose eternal life. Eternal life refers to a “quality” of life, nearness to God, which according to Jesus comes from believing in Him. One can have eternal life in this earth world as well as in the spiritual world (afterlife).
 
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Skywalker

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Trailblazer said:
If you do not have to give anything up why did Jesus say to deny yourself?

Matthew 16:24-26 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Jesus tells His disciples to deny their selfish desires and to follow in His Way.because whoever lives for their selfish desires will lose his eternal life, but whoever sacrifices his life for the sake of Jesus and God will gain eternal life. It is the soul that gets eternal life, not the body.

If we live for self and the worldly things we gain the world but we lose our soul in the sense that we lose eternal life. Eternal life refers to a “quality” of life, nearness to God, which according to Jesus comes from believing in Him. One can have eternal life in this earth world as well as in the spiritual world (afterlife).
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Following Jesus isn't a chore. When you follow Jesus, you naturally will not want to be your own God. You naturally will not like the same movies that you used to like and you will want to trust your Creator and Savior.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Skywalker said:
Following Jesus isn't a chore. When you follow Jesus, you naturally will not want to be your own God. You naturally will not like the same movies that you used to like and you will want to trust your Creator and Savior.
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The same thing happens when you follow Baha'u'llah.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Skywalker said:
Jesus is our Creator and Savior. Bahulllah is another replacement for Jesus like Santa Claus and the Easter bunny. The devil is a deceiver who mimics God and tries to distract people from the truth.
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Baha'u'llah is not a replacement for Jesus. He is simply a new Messenger of God who brought a new message and new social teachings and laws. The spiritual truths that He brought are the same as Jesus brought.
 
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Skywalker

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Trailblazer said:
Baha'u'llah is not a replacement for Jesus. He is simply a new Messenger of God who brought a new message and new social teachings and laws. The spiritual truths that He brought are the same as Jesus brought.
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The devil mixes truth and lies. You don't need Buddha to know that desiring too much things isn't healthy.
 
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Skywalker

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Trailblazer said:
There is no devil. I don't need Buddha because I have Baha'u'llah.
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There is a devil. If there is good, there is evil. You mentioned that Baha'ullah brought a new message and new social teachings and laws and the spiritual truths that He brought are the same as Jesus brought. Similar to Buddha, just because he said some truth doesn't mean that he was of God. People mix truth and lies. Desire & Suffering: Buddhism Vs Christianity | Reasons for Jesus

There is a certain element of truth in this portion of Buddhist doctrine, because far too often, those caught in negative circumstances allow themselves to feel overwhelmed. Far too often, they are crushed and even paralyzed emotionally by their sorrow. Sometimes, non-attachment does allow a person to objectively and calmly view his or her situation, so that a rational answer can be reached. Or detachment can help a person realize that the pain is only temporary, so it can be endured. However, non-attachment can also produce non-involvement in situations that plead for action. So, achieving a place of non-suffering may not necessarily be the complete answer. A concise, biblical response to these two issues is as follows:

The correct view of “desire”—First, let it be said that legitimate desires are not wrong and should not be purged from our thinking. There is a difference between selfish desire, which ends in death, and godly desire, which ends in life. (See James 1:13–15.) The Bible states that God ‘desires’ his people to show mercy. During a time of intercession, the Lord Jesus prayed over his people saying, “Father, I desire that they also whom you have given me be with me where I am.” If it is not wrong for the Lord himself to have righteous desires, it is certainly not wrong for us to have righteous desires. The Scripture does reveal that God “casts away the desire of the wicked,” but it promises “the desire of the righteous will be granted.” (Proverbs 10:3, 24)

The Most High even assures his covenant people, “Delight yourself also in the Lord, and he shall give you the desires of your heart.” (Psalm 37:4) Such righteous desires would logically include the meeting of natural and material needs as well as spiritual. However, if and when these things do not happen the way we desire, the Scripture cautions us “to be content.” (Philippians 4:11) Our highest desire is God himself and when other desires are not realized, we maintain rest in our relationship with him. Inordinate desire is synonymous with lust, a very destructive agent in the human makeup. But holy desire is a motivation that we all definitely need.
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