Trailblazer
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How do you figure that? It is in the NT.
How is that related to what I said about dispensations?
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Only one way ? Only one path ?
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How is that related to what I said about dispensations?
Trailblazer
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Jesus was the only Savior because that was His mission, but Jesus was not the only Messenger of God that ever existed.
The mission of Jesus ended when Jesus died on the cross.
John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
We do not need to be saved anymore because we are already saved.
Time marches on, it does not stand still.
God had sent three Messengers since Jesus with other missions to accomplish.
Trailblazer
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Jesus said that because Jesus was the way during His dispensation.
Jesus did not say there would never be any more truth. In fact Jesus said that there would be more truth in the future.
John 16:12-14 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
There is no Savior other than Jesus because that was the mission of Jesus, but there have been other Messengers of God and there will be more in the future because life on Earth is about more than being saved. Humanity has other needs so God sent other Messengers to address those needs, and God will continue to do so as long as humanity exists.
If you want to stick with the Bible that's your choice. I can believe in the Bible and my religion because they are not mutually exclusive.
InChrist
Free4ever
That is your view, which you are free to have, but it is not the message of the Bible and according to the scriptures is false teaching and heresy.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
No, it is not a false teaching and heresy according to the Bible, only according to the false teachings of Christianity.
I used to have ' pic n mix ' beliefs once also. Before I was a Christian I followed new age teachings. I know the message you are seduced by and it leads no where . Ever attaining but never arriving at the truth .
InChrist
Free4ever
Like I said, you are free to your own view. Mine is that the all inclusive Baha’i religion is the perfect set-up for the coming Antichrist one world religion, as prophesied in the Bible and which Jesus and the scriptures warn about.
“Jesus Himself warned us in the Gospel of Matthew concerning the end times: "Then if any one says to you, 'Lo, here is the Christ!' or 'There he is!' do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect" (Matthew 24:23-24). ”
What is the Baha'i faith? | GotQuestions.org
InChrist
Free4ever
Same here. Before being saved by Jesus Christ Alone, I was lost in a confusion of leftover Catholic ideas which lead to Eastern spirituality, new age, positive thinking, then Mormonism and other pseudo-Christian false teachings.
Ever thankful to Jesus for delivering and saving me now and for eternity.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
You do not know what I believe, I do not believe in new age teachings.
You just assume you know without even checking it out because you have confirmation bias. You are also committing the fallacy of jumping to conclusions.
The Baha'i Faith is a new religion from God, not a new age teaching.
Its the same thing just re packaged.
Amen .
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
As I explained to Barry on another thread, #269 Trailblazer according to the Bible Baha'u'llah cannot be the Antichrist, so you will have to look elsewhere for an Antichrist, if there is one.
Obviously, Jesus have these warnings because He knew that there would be many men that would come claiming to be the return of Christ.
List of people claimed to be Jesus - Wikipedia
But just because there were many false prophets that does not mean there would never be any true prophets. If there were never going to be any true prophets what would Jesus say you would know a true prophet by his fruits? (Matthew 7:16-20)
You can wait and wait and wait and wait for the same Jesus to return but He is never coming back, according to the Bible; so it does not matter if Baha'u'llah was the return of Christ or not, Jesus ain't coming back, period.
(John 14:19, John 17:11, John 17:4, John 19:30, John 18:36, John 18:37)
Not only did Jesus say He was no more in the world and that the world would see Him no more and that His work was finished here, there is not one single verse in the New Testament where Jesus says He is coming back to Earth.
Everything that Christians believe about Jesus returning to Earth in the same body was concocted by the Church owing to a misinterpretation of Bible verses. The Return of Christ was never slated to be the return of the same man Jesus; since Jesus never ascended to heaven in a physical body He could never return in one.
The Christians beliefs are very different from the Baha'i Faith, as the article says, but the Christian beliefs are not in accordance with the gospel message. It is their own Bible that proves they are wrong but they are not even willing to consider that a possibility because they believe what the Church taught them rather than reading the Bible and interpreting it for themselves.
THE FALSE PROPHETS
Trailblazer
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And I am ever thankful to Baha'u'llah for delivering me and saving me now and for eternity.
Baha'u'llah simply repeated what Jesus said in His Day about the way to attain everlasting life.
“O My servants! Whoso hath tasted of this Fountain hath attained unto everlasting Life, and whoso hath refused to drink therefrom is even as the dead.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p.169
“No man can obtain everlasting life, unless he embraceth the truth of this inestimable, this wondrous, and sublime Revelation.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 183
Trailblazer
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Since you do not even know what the Baha'i Faith is all about, you cannot possibly know it is the same as new age teachings.
What if you are wrong about Christianity being the only true religion, do you even care if you are wrong?
Yes your message is the same thing repeated in all cults and false religion. There's nothing new under the sun . Gnosctism has been around from the beginning. Essentially that's where your beliefs come from . Its always an attack on the deity of Jesus and the bodily resurrection . More notably with the Jehovah's_Witnesses. But its everywhere in most cults and religions across the board . The pattern is the same. The bible warns of this all through out .
1 John 4:3
“And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”
Jesus return physically standing in Jerusalem.
Zechariah 14:4
“And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.”
Trust me . I believed many more weird and wonderful things compared to what you believe. I too was deceived by Gnostic ideas . Its the same thing just repackaged and re branded. The theme is always the same . Jesus is not God , he's some form of a ascended master / angel/ spirit creature/ prophet / reincarnation/ and on and on and on ....He didn't raise physically, he died and remained dead ,but rose a spirit creature and God dissolved his body ( Jehovah's_Witnesses) He transcended/ evolutionary leap / God switched him with Judas on the cross ( Islam ) / swoon theory / The diciples ect all halucinated the risen Jesus ( atheism) and on and on and on ...ad nauseum.
Trailblazer
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Obviously you do not have a clue what the Baha'i Faith is, and you don't want to know...
The Baha'i Faith is not anything like Gnosticism.
There is plenty new under the sun, but you have just been too brainwashed by Christianity to see anything else.
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Trailblazer
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No, Jesus is not going to stand on Earth ever again. Why can't you face the truth that is in your own Bible?
John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Baha'u'llah confessed that Jesus Christ came in the flesh.
Baha'u'llah was not already in the world when John was written.
Baha'u'llah is not the antichrist.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
You cannot compare because you do not know what I believe, you just assume you know because of your past experiences.
That is called confirmation bias.
Confirmation bias, also called confirmatory bias or myside bias,[Note 1] is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's preexisting beliefs or hypotheses, while giving disproportionately less consideration to alternative possibilities.[1]It is a type of cognitive bias and a systematic error of inductive reasoning. People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way.
Confirmation biases contribute to overconfidence in personal beliefs and can maintain or strengthen beliefs in the face of contrary evidence. Poor decisions due to these biases have been found in political and organizational contexts.[2][3][Note 2]
Confirmation bias - Wikipedia