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Christianity is not the only way to God

Windwalker

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Hi Windtalker,

What do you mean by "all faith"? Does it include Muslims and HIndus?
Yes. Faith is the heart believing in and searching for the Absolute, the Ultimate Truth or Reality, or otherwise called "God". All major religions have that at their core. It's why people follow the practices, in search of That.

Hi Windtalker,

How God will look at the heart of a Buddhist if the Buddhist don't know God and Jesus Christ?
Well, a Buddhist may not call it "God", but it is still the same thing in essence they seek. But there are branches of Buddhism which does have deity forms. But for a better analogy, we can ask how God will look at the heart of an avowed atheist, who denies there is any sort of Higher Truth, or Reality. I would answer that He looks at the intent and truthfulness or sincerity of the person believing the way that they do, be that a Christian, a Buddhist, a Hindu, an Atheist, a Pagan, etc.

Religious beliefs are not God. They are tools for the mind to see God, and they can take many forms. You can have wood-handled screwdrivers, yellow plastic-handled screwdrivers, blue one, white ones, green ones, etc. But they are all screwdrivers. Same thing with belief systems. They can have lots of different colors and shapes and sizes, but they are all still functionally the exact same thing for the same purposes.
 

TransmutingSoul

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Good quote.
How about when the Bible tells us that every person will be judged by Jesus. That means that nobody can come to the Father except through the Son, Jesus.

That would be Christ, and Peter confirmed it was Christ.

Regards Tony
 

TransmutingSoul

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Christianity is not the only way to God

I have evidence from the Bible itself:

God is love, whoever abides in love abides in God, and God in him, 1 John 4:16

What do you think about that?

I see that love requires knowledge of what it is we Love, so the passage is simple and also has a complexity.

One person's Love, may not be Love of God, but love of one's own self. Another's Love may be the Love of God, but seen by many righteous others as sin.

So what is it to abide in Love?

To answer that Question it may be that we must first define 'Love'. So where do we look to define what this passage means?

"God is love, whoever abides in love abides in God, and God in him," 1 John 4:16

This could be one definition, 1 Corinthians 13 1 "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth."

So it also says that Love must be accompanied with truth and truth requires knowledge.

"See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him."
1 John 3:1

How can we Love what we do not know?

So what do you see is the all embracing Love that passages says is the path to God?

Regards Tony
 

John1.12

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I would agree with that. People have that happen everywhere throughout the world, both within and without all the religions.

So do you accept that they are children of God as well?
I don't see any other religion that has people being ' regenerated ' . Redeemed by God .
 

John1.12

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I do not see any Faith given by God that does not regenerate and redeem a person.

Welcome, by the way. :D;)

Regards Tony
Hi Tony, and thanks for the welcome I meant were a person is immediately redeemed . There spirit is redeemed and raised to newness of life . The person is immediately forgiven, restored with God ..Has peace with God and cannot now fall into condemnation.
 

Windwalker

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I don't see any other religion that has people being ' regenerated ' . Redeemed by God .
Why? I do. There are children of God in every land somewhere, regardless of their religion. Are they all evil degenerates to you? You can't see the light of God in someone of a different culture and belief system? I can. Jesus could.

Do you really believe God limits his Light to only one religious system? I believe there is more than ample scripture to discredit that idea. Didn't you quote from Romans 2 earlier?
 

John1.12

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Redeemed from what?
Have you looked at any other religions?
Redeemed from the curse of sin and death . Yes I've looked at other religions . Without fail they all say the say false message of works righteousness. Do good things , follow the rules of said religion , practice it , follow its path to try to get to God .
 

John1.12

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Why? I do. There are children of God in every land somewhere, regardless of their religion. Are they all evil degenerates to you? You can't see the light of God in someone of a different culture and belief system? I can. Jesus could.

Do you really believe God limits his Light to only one religious system? I believe there is more than ample scripture to discredit that idea. Didn't you quote from Romans 2 earlier?
That's a wild truth claim you make . Its basically a ' all paths lead to God ' message i used to think also . But it has no evidence behind it beyond wishful thinking .
 

Trailblazer

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Redeemed from the curse of sin and death.
I do not believe in original sin so I do not believe there was a curse. I believe we needed the Christ sacrifice but not to remove a curse brought on by Adam and Eve.

Question.—In verse 22 of chapter 15 of 1 Corinthians it is written: “For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.” What is the meaning of these words?

Answer.—Know that there are two natures in man: the physical nature and the spiritual nature. The physical nature is inherited from Adam, and the spiritual nature is inherited from the Reality of the Word of God, which is the spirituality of Christ. The physical nature is born of Adam, but the spiritual nature is born from the bounty of the Holy Spirit. The first is the source of all imperfection; the second is the source of all perfection.

The Christ sacrificed Himself so that men might be freed from the imperfections of the physical nature and might become possessed of the virtues of the spiritual nature. This spiritual nature, which came into existence through the bounty of the Divine Reality, is the union of all perfections and appears through the breath of the Holy Spirit. It is the divine perfections; it is light, spirituality, guidance, exaltation, high aspiration, justice, love, grace, kindness to all, philanthropy, the essence of life. It is the reflection of the splendor of the Sun of Reality. Some Answered Questions, p. 118

Read more: 29: EXPLANATION OF VERSE TWENTY-TWO, CHAPTER FIFTEEN, OF THE FIRST EPISTLE OF ST. PAUL TO THE CORINTHIANS
Yes I've looked at other religions . Without fail they all say the say false message of works righteousness. Do good things , follow the rules of said religion , practice it , follow its path to try to get to God .
False message of righteousness? I think you have been duped by Christian doctrines which do not represent what Jesus taught. That is a very big subject, but for starters:

Matthew 25:45-46 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
 

John1.12

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I do not believe in original sin so I do not believe there was a curse. I believe we needed the Christ sacrifice but not to remove a curse brought on by Adam and Eve.

Question.—In verse 22 of chapter 15 of 1 Corinthians it is written: “For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.” What is the meaning of these words?

Answer.—Know that there are two natures in man: the physical nature and the spiritual nature. The physical nature is inherited from Adam, and the spiritual nature is inherited from the Reality of the Word of God, which is the spirituality of Christ. The physical nature is born of Adam, but the spiritual nature is born from the bounty of the Holy Spirit. The first is the source of all imperfection; the second is the source of all perfection.

The Christ sacrificed Himself so that men might be freed from the imperfections of the physical nature and might become possessed of the virtues of the spiritual nature. This spiritual nature, which came into existence through the bounty of the Divine Reality, is the union of all perfections and appears through the breath of the Holy Spirit. It is the divine perfections; it is light, spirituality, guidance, exaltation, high aspiration, justice, love, grace, kindness to all, philanthropy, the essence of life. It is the reflection of the splendor of the Sun of Reality. Some Answered Questions, p. 118

Read more: 29: EXPLANATION OF VERSE TWENTY-TWO, CHAPTER FIFTEEN, OF THE FIRST EPISTLE OF ST. PAUL TO THE CORINTHIANS

False message of righteousness? I think you have been duped by Christian doctrines which do not represent what Jesus taught. That is a very big subject, but for starters:

Matthew 25:45-46 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
It sounds like you are not simply reading the bible and believing what it says . I'm a simple guy . I think the bible is straightforward. I read it as its written .
 

John1.12

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I do not believe in original sin so I do not believe there was a curse. I believe we needed the Christ sacrifice but not to remove a curse brought on by Adam and Eve.

Question.—In verse 22 of chapter 15 of 1 Corinthians it is written: “For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.” What is the meaning of these words?

Answer.—Know that there are two natures in man: the physical nature and the spiritual nature. The physical nature is inherited from Adam, and the spiritual nature is inherited from the Reality of the Word of God, which is the spirituality of Christ. The physical nature is born of Adam, but the spiritual nature is born from the bounty of the Holy Spirit. The first is the source of all imperfection; the second is the source of all perfection.

The Christ sacrificed Himself so that men might be freed from the imperfections of the physical nature and might become possessed of the virtues of the spiritual nature. This spiritual nature, which came into existence through the bounty of the Divine Reality, is the union of all perfections and appears through the breath of the Holy Spirit. It is the divine perfections; it is light, spirituality, guidance, exaltation, high aspiration, justice, love, grace, kindness to all, philanthropy, the essence of life. It is the reflection of the splendor of the Sun of Reality. Some Answered Questions, p. 118

Read more: 29: EXPLANATION OF VERSE TWENTY-TWO, CHAPTER FIFTEEN, OF THE FIRST EPISTLE OF ST. PAUL TO THE CORINTHIANS

False message of righteousness? I think you have been duped by Christian doctrines which do not represent what Jesus taught. That is a very big subject, but for starters:

Matthew 25:45-46 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
20¶But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
I just believe this. I don't need to add baggage to the text .
 

John1.12

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I do not believe in original sin so I do not believe there was a curse. I believe we needed the Christ sacrifice but not to remove a curse brought on by Adam and Eve.

Question.—In verse 22 of chapter 15 of 1 Corinthians it is written: “For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.” What is the meaning of these words?

Answer.—Know that there are two natures in man: the physical nature and the spiritual nature. The physical nature is inherited from Adam, and the spiritual nature is inherited from the Reality of the Word of God, which is the spirituality of Christ. The physical nature is born of Adam, but the spiritual nature is born from the bounty of the Holy Spirit. The first is the source of all imperfection; the second is the source of all perfection.

The Christ sacrificed Himself so that men might be freed from the imperfections of the physical nature and might become possessed of the virtues of the spiritual nature. This spiritual nature, which came into existence through the bounty of the Divine Reality, is the union of all perfections and appears through the breath of the Holy Spirit. It is the divine perfections; it is light, spirituality, guidance, exaltation, high aspiration, justice, love, grace, kindness to all, philanthropy, the essence of life. It is the reflection of the splendor of the Sun of Reality. Some Answered Questions, p. 118

Read more: 29: EXPLANATION OF VERSE TWENTY-TWO, CHAPTER FIFTEEN, OF THE FIRST EPISTLE OF ST. PAUL TO THE CORINTHIANS

False message of righteousness? I think you have been duped by Christian doctrines which do not represent what Jesus taught. That is a very big subject, but for starters:

Matthew 25:45-46 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Do you see the word 'them 'in Mathew 25 ?
 

John1.12

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I do not believe in original sin so I do not believe there was a curse. I believe we needed the Christ sacrifice but not to remove a curse brought on by Adam and Eve.

Question.—In verse 22 of chapter 15 of 1 Corinthians it is written: “For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.” What is the meaning of these words?

Answer.—Know that there are two natures in man: the physical nature and the spiritual nature. The physical nature is inherited from Adam, and the spiritual nature is inherited from the Reality of the Word of God, which is the spirituality of Christ. The physical nature is born of Adam, but the spiritual nature is born from the bounty of the Holy Spirit. The first is the source of all imperfection; the second is the source of all perfection.

The Christ sacrificed Himself so that men might be freed from the imperfections of the physical nature and might become possessed of the virtues of the spiritual nature. This spiritual nature, which came into existence through the bounty of the Divine Reality, is the union of all perfections and appears through the breath of the Holy Spirit. It is the divine perfections; it is light, spirituality, guidance, exaltation, high aspiration, justice, love, grace, kindness to all, philanthropy, the essence of life. It is the reflection of the splendor of the Sun of Reality. Some Answered Questions, p. 118

Read more: 29: EXPLANATION OF VERSE TWENTY-TWO, CHAPTER FIFTEEN, OF THE FIRST EPISTLE OF ST. PAUL TO THE CORINTHIANS

False message of righteousness? I think you have been duped by Christian doctrines which do not represent what Jesus taught. That is a very big subject, but for starters:

Matthew 25:45-46 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
I meant ' works ' righteousness. Where the religion teaches essentially you have to work for your salvation . By good deeds ect . Take Islam for example . You recite a saying which gets you initiated into Islam. Then you have to practice the' pillars ' , do good deeds , pilgrimages , pray 5 times a day. So that on the final day of judgment it will be tested if your good deeds out weighed your bad . All religions in some form or another teach this type of programme. Its how you can spot them . Mormonism , J dubs , Catholicism, ect its all the same message with a few different themes .
 

Trailblazer

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It sounds like you are not simply reading the bible and believing what it says . I'm a simple guy . I think the bible is straightforward. I read it as its written .
I also believe what it says but it says a lot of things.
Also, what is written has to be interpreted and a meaning assigned, and different people assign different meanings to the same words.
 

John1.12

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I also believe what it says but it says a lot of things.
Also, what is written has to be interpreted and a meaning assigned, and different people assign different meanings to the same words.
I don't believe its complicated. Its very direct, plain and says what it means. I find it bizarre how all of a sudden, normal reading comprehension flies out the window ,when it comes to the bible .
 

Trailblazer

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20¶But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
I just believe this. I don't need to add baggage to the text .
I believe it too, but I interpret it differently than you do.
The text does not speak. The text needs to be interpreted to MEAN something.
What does it mean to you?
 
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