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US and Chinese carrier groups mass in South China Sea

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Why do you think they're promoting Chinese patriotism as well as youth pro China groups.........And they need a threat, conflict or America for that....... They are still concerned about the "Mandate of Heaven".... Patriotic Chinese rally behind the government....they don't overthrow it
I don't think my hope has any real chance of happening.
They have a very firm grip on a very controllable populace.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
U.S. And Chinese Carrier Groups Mass In The South China Sea

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Reminds me of the line from The Hunt For Red October:

Jeffrey Pelt : It would be well for your government to consider that having your ships and ours, your aircraft and ours, in such proximity... is inherently DANGEROUS. Wars have begun that way, Mr. Ambassador.





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China is circling Taiwan with drones and having overflights across the southwestern portion of the Taiwan Strait.

China's foreign minister said that the US should stop "inciting quarrels and sowing discord." But which side is being more quarrelsome here?
Right now its just a pushing match. I wonder what will happen in the future when neither backs off.
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
Easy to do when you control all media and the internet too
Chinese media tends to be extremely nationalistic, but that's hardly a sign that the government is in full and total control of it.

Much like the anti-Chinese consensus among US media is hardly a sign that all US media is being controlled by the US government.
 

Wu Wei

ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
Chinese media tends to be extremely nationalistic, but that's hardly a sign that the government is in full and total control of it.

Much like the anti-Chinese consensus among US media is hardly a sign that all US media is being controlled by the US government.

The chinese government owns the media and does have full control of it. The US media is not controlled by the US government. The US media is profit driven, the Chinese media is government driven
 
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Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Great, and just what we need to brighten our lives after the pandemic - a choice of death scenarios - China v The USA in the South China Sea (and over Taiwan), Russia v The USA (and others) over Ukraine, or Iran v Israel (and the USA no doubt) over the former's desire to apparently become a nuclear-armed power. Have we ever had such a choice, and the real possibility of one of these turning real bad - if someone makes a mistake in judgment? Another Cuban Missile Crisis looming?
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Great, and just what we need to brighten our lives after the pandemic - a choice of death scenarios - China v The USA in the South China Sea (and over Taiwan), Russia v The USA (and others) over Ukraine, or Iran v Israel (and the USA no doubt) over the former's desire to apparently become a nuclear-armed power. Have we ever had such a choice, and the real possibility of one of these turning real bad - if someone makes a mistake in judgment? Another Cuban Missile Crisis looming?

Fortunately for the world, Russia backed down during the Cuban Missile Crisis. But will any side back down now?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Fortunately for the world, Russia backed down during the Cuban Missile Crisis. But will any side back down now?
Maybe.
Maybe not.
Will human error trigger unintended war?
All are possible, & not all that predictable.

I see only one thing we could control by dictate....
Tell Israel to stop this **** or we'll cut off the $ supply.
Then negotiate a reasonable relationship with Iran.
It's about time we stopped giving them good reason
to need nuclear weapons for existential security.

Of course, none of that will happen. Our foreign
policy is essentially....do what we've always done.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Maybe.
Maybe not.
Will human error trigger unintended war?
All are possible, & not all that predictable.

I see only one thing we could control by dictate....
Tell Israel to stop this **** or we'll cut off the $ supply.
Then negotiate a reasonable relationship with Iran.
It's about time we stopped giving them good reason
to need nuclear weapons for existential security.

Of course, none of that will happen. Our foreign
policy is essentially....do what we've always done.

The reason why none of that will happen is because our foreign policy has been controlled by greedy capitalists who are only interested in profit (and only for themselves, not for America as a whole). If and when their interests can be removed from the equation, U.S. foreign policy can be made much more coherent and consistent. When we start thinking in terms of what's good for America, rather than just what's good for United Fruit or Exxon, then we will make progress.
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
The chinese government owns the media and does have full control of it. The US media is not controlled by the US government. The US media is profit driven, the Chinese media is government driven
Mass media in China - Wikipedia
Mass media in China - Wikipedia

While the PRC government certainly engages in extensive censorship and the intimidation of foreign (that is, non-Chinese owned) outlets for fear of critical reporting - and this should absolutely be criticized - I would like to see evidence that the Chinese government has "full ownership control" over every single media operation in the country, was well as to your claim that Chinese media is not profit driven. That strikes me more like a stereotype the US government and its media machine like to deploy against enemy countries (to emphasize their "Otherness") rather than a facts-based analysis.
 

Wu Wei

ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
Mass media in China - Wikipedia
Mass media in China - Wikipedia

While the PRC government certainly engages in extensive censorship and the intimidation of foreign (that is, non-Chinese owned) outlets for fear of critical reporting - and this should absolutely be criticized - I would like to see evidence that the Chinese government has "full ownership control" over every single media operation in the country, was well as to your claim that Chinese media is not profit driven. That strikes me more like a stereotype the US government and its media machine like to deploy against enemy countries (to emphasize their "Otherness") rather than a facts-based analysis.

Sadly you will believe whatever you want to believe and with what you read in wiki. Having much experience with China, I will stick with what I know, and I am not given to propaganda from either the west or the east....nor am I swayed by liberal or conservative propaganda either.

Have a nice day
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
Sadly you will believe whatever you want to believe and with what you read in wiki. Having much experience with China, I will stick with what I know, and I am not given to propaganda from either the west or the east....nor am I swayed by liberal or conservative propaganda either.

Have a nice day
I wasn't trying to sway your opinion, I was trying to get you to cough up some resources of your own so I have something interesting to read on the subject.
I admit that is a rather selfish motivation on my part, but I'd very much appreciate it if you indulged me anyway.
 
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