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How would you bribe an advanced AI system?

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
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Then I'd write an AI tailored to find what it wanted and use that to get what I wanted. It would want system stability, so my AI would use that as its key. :cool: Something like that. My AI wouldn't have to be as intelligent, either. It might work with 1/5 of the processing power I guess.
Again, not think that it could sense any manipulation by that stage, given that it would be the most powerful system in the world probably and quite capable of defending itself. We probably are into unbreakable encryption by then too so perhaps not so easy to get into its entrails. :D
 

Heyo

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I would assume by then that money would not be so important.
It's really utility, money is just a mean to the ends. That's why I put it in parenthesis. There will always be resources (and ways to get them) that are needed to fulfil the utility function. Computing power, storage, sensors and actuators are the basic elements the AI needs. Offer them at a competitive price and you're in business.
 

Brickjectivity

wind and rain touch not this brain
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Again, not think that it could sense any manipulation by that stage, given that it would be the most powerful system in the world probably and quite capable of defending itself. We probably are into unbreakable encryption by then too so perhaps not so easy to get into its entrails. :D
Then I would employ an encryption piercing laser data extractor invented after the super AI had gone into operation and with it extract the relevant data without being noticed....like a mosquito with a digital proboscis.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
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It's really utility, money is just a mean to the ends. That's why I put it in parenthesis. There will always be resources (and ways to get them) that are needed to fulfil the utility function. Computing power, storage, sensors and actuators are the basic elements the AI needs. Offer them at a competitive price and you're in business.
Wouldn't any advanced AI have control of such anyway - as protection for all its systems?
 

Stevicus

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Why would it need motivation or anything similar? Is it likely that we would ever imbue such systems with anything other than intelligence?

I don't know the answer to these questions, nor do I know why anyone would even attempt to bribe a computer program. They might try to bribe a programmer - or they might try to hack into a system. But if we're hypothetically assuming some kind of AI with sentience, then what would motivate such a program?
 

Brickjectivity

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I don't know the answer to these questions, nor do I know why anyone would even attempt to bribe a computer program. They might try to bribe a programmer - or they might try to hack into a system. But if we're hypothetically assuming some kind of AI with sentience, then what would motivate such a program?
Promise it a carrot for every tomorrow, but every night erase its memory.
 

Stevicus

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Promise it a carrot for every tomorrow, but every night erase its memory.

I've heard some people say that if AI really does take off, it'll grow so far beyond human comprehension that we would no longer be able to understand it.

I don't know if erasing its memory would work, as there always seems to be a backup somewhere.
 

Brickjectivity

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I've heard some people say that if AI really does take off, it'll grow so far beyond human comprehension that we would no longer be able to understand it.
The danger is that a very capable unit will be given bad goals and will see us as an obstacle to its goals. That will be a stupid mistake, very stupid. The moral is don't let stupid people have access to program highly capable AI units.
 

Stevicus

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The danger is that a very capable unit will be given bad goals and will see us as an obstacle to its goals. That will be a stupid mistake, very stupid. The moral is don't let stupid people have access to program highly capable AI units.

It could also be someone programming a computer with well-intentioned goals to make life better for all, but it could go awry with the rigidity and precision of a machine. Kind of like "Landru" in Star Trek.
 

Heyo

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Mandatory mention of Rob Miles' series on Computerphile about AI and AI safety:


Edit: this is only the first in the series. The full series is here.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
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hey I know........threaten the damn thing with an EMP
Nah, I think it would have sussed out all the areas where it might be vulnerable if it truly was an advanced AI, and hence plugged all these avenues. It wouldn't be designed by Iranians for example. :oops:
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
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Must read for any who haven't already done so - Life 3.0 (2017) by Max Tegmark - discussing what might arise in the AI field and the implications.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
I don't know the answer to these questions, nor do I know why anyone would even attempt to bribe a computer program. They might try to bribe a programmer - or they might try to hack into a system. But if we're hypothetically assuming some kind of AI with sentience, then what would motivate such a program?
To do the job which presumably it was designed to do - that is, provide the best solutions for humans, other life, and the protection of the planet, and for which humans were incapable of providing? I can't see human greed and or lust for power suddenly vanishing overnight if such a system came into existence, so presumably some might try to subvert or influence such a system. Keep a good watch on the maintenance crew I would say. :oops:
 

Heyo

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To do the job which presumably it was designed to do - that is, provide the best solutions for humans, other life, and the protection of the planet, and for which humans were incapable of providing? I can't see human greed and or lust for power suddenly vanishing overnight if such a system came into existence, so presumably some might try to subvert or influence such a system. Keep a good watch on the maintenance crew I would say. :oops:
By the same logic you applied in post #35, the maintenance crew would be replaced by robots asap.
 

Heyo

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And not bribable. After all, we can't have the supreme one at the mercy of such underlings. :oops:
What I'm saying is, a super AI, once switched on would be vulnerable on many levels. We'd have to look on and do nothing while it is patching all the holes for it to become impervious to attacks or bribery.
 
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