Being born again means picking up the cross and following the example of Jesus.
As such, one can envisage a world where people can follow the example set by Jesus.
The virtues we are to live our life by are clear in the Bible.
Regards Tony
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Are Humans Their Own Worst Enemy?
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Being born again means picking up the cross and following the example of Jesus.
As such, one can envisage a world where people can follow the example set by Jesus.
The virtues we are to live our life by are clear in the Bible.
Regards Tony
You are free to see it that way. Hope you are well and Covid-19 is not a danger to you.
Regards Tony
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
I thought every one knew by now. No, I do not believe in reincarnation or deities. I am an atheist.Speak for yourself.....but aren't you a believer in reincarnation?
You will not be able to understand it but I do not believe even in creation, birth and death. For that, you would have to learn about Hindu 'Advaita' philosophy (non-duality).
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
You think we did not have intelligence till now? And how did that intelligence is helping us now? We have intelligence enough to create viruses and then suffer. There are other pressures. Why did China had to create the virus? It wants to dominate the world, just like Abrahamic religions try to dominate the world, even the pidgin Bahais. That is why Christians and Muslims are fighting for the last 1,400 years.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Well, so far so good for my family, though the virus is raging in India - 92,922 new cases and 904 deaths today.
Of course not. We have developed our intelligence along with our knowledge, but it seems that the lag in the use of such has created the mess we see ourselves in - if such is the case - and many experts would say so when looking at our environment. We are no better than we were in the past in many ways but at least we do have the knowledge that those in the past lacked, so we can hardly blame them so much, but we can blame ourselves if we fail to act now towards making things better for ourselves, other life, and the planet. We just don't seem to accept that we need to get organised as a species, with perhaps a world government overseeing such, for example.
firedragon
Veteran Member
I didnt claim any thing like that. Unless I am misunderstanding you. So please clarify what I said, and what you are responding to.
Thanks.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Exactly. I never argued against that.
Nope. Thats a strawman. I explained it to you, but you seem to have missed that for some reason.
Aup claimed that people are a Bain of themselves "BECAUSE OF IGNORING SCIENCE". I said that people are doing a lot of atrocities embracing science. That does not mean "Embracing science has LEAD TO SOME TO MASS MURDER". Thats a false misquotation. Its better to clarify what someone says rather than making a strawman.
Exactly. You just responded to a post without knowing the context. So please do go back and read the full context of the post, and what was it in response to.
Thanks in advance.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Good. Just a request to know the context of a post that you reply to.
If you have to clarify, please clarify.
Cheers.
That is not what the scriptures indicate, but is certainly what we are supposed to do none the less. (1 Peter 2:21; 1 Corinthians 11:1)
To be "born again" is not simply a change in attitude or belief, but a complete rebirth for those who are chosen to rule with Christ in heaven. They must die the same death and experience the same resurrection as Jesus did. They die in their mortal flesh, but are raised to life as spirit sons of God. Being "born again" means experiencing life in a different body and in a different realm.
Yes they are, but most of the people in this world are not going to make through the end times (Matthew 7:13-14).....Jesus will come as judge and separate the "sheep from the goats" and each has a set destination.....the sheep are those who have supported Christ's brothers whilst they were still in their mortal flesh on earth, and these will inherit life....but the goats have done nothing to support them, failing to recognize their calling as future rulers over mankind. ( Matthew 25:31-46)
With God's Kingdom ruling, all redeemed humankind will then set about cleaning up the mess that the devil's unwitting followers left behind. We will then transform the earth into the paradise conditions that God originally purposed for the human race to enjoy. We will get back what the devil stole from us....but only if we serve God now, by imitating the conduct and following all the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 21:2-4 tells us the outcome....and it will be wonderful!
I am having difficulty trying to understand someone with a religion who is an atheist...?
You have gods who are not deities? What??? This sounds like a complete contradiction....If you were born...how can you not believe in birth and if you have children did they not come into the world through the womb of your wife? What then is death if there is no birth? That is way too complicated for me...and completely illogical ...sorry. I have no desire to learn about such things.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Even UK could not remain with EU. What kind of 'world government' do you want? Christian, Muslim or Bahai?
Well a secular one might be wiser, but not so achievable at the moment. I'm not hopeful.Even UK could not remain with EU. What kind of 'world government' do you want? Christian, Muslim or Bahai?
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
No, as I said depending upon their views, 'Advaita' Hindus may not believe in God or deities. We believe in one entity (Brahman, which is not a God) which constitutes al things in the universe, i.e., all things in the universe are composed 'OF' it.I am having difficulty trying to understand someone with a religion who is an atheist...?
If you were born...how can you not believe in birth and if you have children did they not come into the world through the womb of your wife? What then is death if there is no birth? That is way too complicated for me...and completely illogical ...sorry. I have no desire to learn about such things.
Creations, birth and death is just how human brain perceives it, that is an illusion, i.e., making us see what is not truth. Just as we cannot see electrcity, atoms or fields of force in nature.
Since we do not accept birth - what composes us was always there and will always be there, therefore we do not accept death also.
Yeah, I understand that it is too complicated (or you can say too scientific) for many followers of Abrahamic religions, so they may not be interested in understanding it. Eastern people have no problem in understanding it, Buddhist for example.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
True. I don't even think that it will ever be achievable. Chaos is our origin and Chaos is our destiny, Chaos theory - WikipediaWell a secular one might be wiser, but not so achievable at the moment. I'm not hopeful.
We should have a world vote. Present the evidence (whatever scientists can produce) and have a vote on such. Sanction all those who oppose the majority. Hopefully most would use their common sense but I'm not optimistic.True. I don't even think that it will ever be achievable. Chaos is our origin and Chaos is our destiny, Chaos theory - Wikipedia
We Never Know
No Slack
"Dan From Smithville said:
Humans have certainly taken the technology arising from science to do great harm, but there are a greater number of people living better and longer today than at previous points in history due to the application of scientific discoveries too."
"firedragon said:
Exactly. Very good. Are you justifying science is good? Why? Did I claim science is bad mate?
This is the problem with tribalistically answering for someone else."
Which is why I replied...
"Is a greater number of people living longer really better? That contributes to over population, food shortages, more natural habitat destruction, more pollution, more diseases(for starving poor countries), etc."
I took it you were agreeing its better that people are living longer so I listed several things that get worse because of that.
If I mistook your post, my appoligies.
firedragon
Veteran Member
I dont have the sophisticated research to know if living longer is good or bad. To make that kind of assertion I have to study that extensively. Thanks for clarifying. I was merely stating that science is a great thing. Its a good thing. Because someone misunderstood what I said and thought I meant science is not good.
Peace.
We Never Know
No Slack
An example is we are farming more land that wasn't farmable without drilling deep water wells to produce more food. We are pumping underground aquafiers very low at a faster rate than they can replenish. Not to mention that also opens up big cracks in the earth.
NASA Data Reveals Most Major Aquifers Depleting Faster Than They Recharge
An Enormous Crack Just Opened Up In The Middle Of The Arizona Desert