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US and Chinese carrier groups mass in South China Sea

Stevicus

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U.S. And Chinese Carrier Groups Mass In The South China Sea

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Tensions between China and its regional neighbors in the South China and Philippine Seas increased markedly this week. Naval exercises by both the United States and China have massed an unusual number of warships in the South China Sea at a time of renewed diplomatic friction as concerns over China’s territorial ambitions grow.

The uptick began late last week. The War Zone reported that China’s Liaoning Carrier Strike Group (CSG) maneuvered through the strategic Miyako Strait on Sunday, just southwest of Okinawa. Since then, a separate point of tension between China and the Philippines over a mass of fishing vessels identified as part of China’s People’s Armed Forces Maritime Militia (PAFMM) led to a series of heated diplomatic exchanges between Manila and Beijing.

Open-source intelligence analysts tracked the movements of the Liaoning carrier strike group this week as it appeared to traverse the Luzon strait, the body of water that, along with the Bohai Channel, separates the Philippines and Taiwan. This crucially strategic area is also the primary boundary between the Philippine Sea and the South China Sea and connects the greater Pacific to the northern reaches of the South China Sea.

As such, this area is of intense reconnaissance interest to all stakeholders in the region. The United States military paid particularly close attention to these waters in July last year, regularly flying intelligence-gathering planes such as the EP-3E Aries II and RC-135V/W Rivet Joint into the area. Since then, the surveillance flights have continued, often spiking at times when there is heavy Chinese naval activity in the area.

The Liaoning CSG maneuvers around the strait were closely observed by Japan and the United States. Analysts identified a U.S. Navy Alreigh Burke class destroyer shadowing the group, as it headed west towards the South China Sea:


This striking shot captured U.S. Navy Cmdr. Robert J. Briggs and Cmdr. Richard D. Slye as they monitored the Liaoning, just thousands of feet away, from the bridge wings of the USS Mustin earlier in the week on April 4.

Reminds me of the line from The Hunt For Red October:

Jeffrey Pelt : It would be well for your government to consider that having your ships and ours, your aircraft and ours, in such proximity... is inherently DANGEROUS. Wars have begun that way, Mr. Ambassador.

The increased number of ships was not just due to the Chinese naval exercise alone. Yesterday the Theodore Roosevelt Carrier Strike Group and the Makin Island Amphibious Ready Group (ARG) conducted a coordinated exercise in the South China Sea. The TRCSG consists of the USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71), Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 11, the Ticonderoga-class guided-missile cruiser USS Bunker Hill (CG 52), Destroyer Squadron 23, and the Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer USS Russell (DDG 59). The USS Makin Island's group also consisted of amphibious assault ships the USS Somerset and USS San Diego.


A cluster of vessels was spotted via satellite imagery just east of Taiwan’s Pratas Islands. In recent years, Pratas Island has been of increasing concern to observers of the South China Sea. Writing for The Diplomat, analyst Yoshiyuki Ogasawara has focused on the Pratas Islands as a potential target of China’s geopolitical ambitions as it approaches the centennial anniversary of the Chinese Communist Party on July 23 this year. Ogasawara argues that capturing the island could be a way for China to demonstrate progress towards its goal of reunifying Taiwan without sparking a wider conflict.

The small island located between China, Taiwan, and the Philippines has a strategic vantage on the South China Sea. Its small size and flat geography make it difficult to defend. According to Ogasawara, the island typically has no permanent residents but has seen a quiet build-up of a garrison of about 500 Taiwanese Marines. Last year Taiwanese F-16s began flying patrols with live Harpoon anti-ship missiles in an effort to deter China’s interest in potentially capturing the island. U.S. Navy P-8 Poseidons have done the same. Chinese military exercises apparently focused on capturing the island were reported in May last year.

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The area has also recently seen an increase in drone incursions. On Wednesday, Taiwanese official Ocean Affairs Council Chair Lee Chung-wei addressed the drone issue, describing them as circling the island. He declared a willingness to shoot them down, stating “if we need to open fire, we will open fire.” Additionally, China has recently invested heavily in coastal bases, such as a massive new helicopter base directly across the strait of Taiwan that could prove essential to a major offensive against the island.

Meanwhile, the week saw a near-constant stream of Chinese overflights of Taiwan’s air defense identification zone. According to Taiwan’s Ministry of National Defense, there have been 46 overflights across the southwestern portion of the Taiwan Strait. These flights have included as many as fifteen People’s Liberation Army aircraft at one time, including 8 J-10 and 4 J-16 fighter aircraft in one incident.

China is circling Taiwan with drones and having overflights across the southwestern portion of the Taiwan Strait.

China's foreign minister said that the US should stop "inciting quarrels and sowing discord." But which side is being more quarrelsome here?

China and the Philippines also appeared to deepen their dispute over more than two hundred Chinese vessels occupying an area in the West Philippines Sea known as Whitsun Reef. On April 5th, the Chinese embassy in the Philippines issued a statement expressing that it is “completely normal for Chinese fishing vessels to fish in the waters and take shelter near the reef during rough sea conditions.”

On Thursday, the U.S. State Department provided a readout stating that Secretary of State Blinken had spoken with his Philippine counterpart Teodoro Locsin, Jr. about the “massing of PRC maritime military vessels.” Blinken additionally “reaffirmed the applicability of the 1951 U.S.-Philippine Mutual Defense Treaty to the South China Sea.”

China’s foreign minister spokesman Zhao Lijian responded by saying that the United States should stop “inciting quarrels and sowing discord.”

Compounding matters, a news team from the Philippines’ ABS-CBN described Chinese Coast Guard Vessels “pursuing” Philipine fishing vessels on Friday. The War Zone recently covered the incident, including the apparent new role for China’s stealthy catamaran fast-attack missile craft in tense South China Sea waters.

Earlier in the year, China adopted a new law that some have claimed violates the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) that permits the Chinese Coast Guard to fire on foreign vessels in some circumstances. The legal change added ongoing concern about China’s growing network of artificial outposts through the South China Sea.

Last month, Australia, India, Japan, and the United States issued a joint statement as part of the so-called “quadrilateral security dialogue” or “Quad,” affirming each country's commitment to upholding the “rules-based maritime order in the East and South China Seas.” Security concerns and the future of the Quad alliance will almost certainly be a key subject in upcoming talks between Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga and President Biden on April 16th.

In the coming weeks, it will be crucial to see if regional stakeholders are able to manage these tensions. Negotiations and inter-alliance relationships, especially within the emerging Quad, will be crucial to creating an effective counterbalance to the increasingly capable and assertive Chinese military’s operations in the region.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
China needs a revolution....keep its war within its own borders.
Who knows....a better government might arise.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
China needs a revolution....keep its war within its own borders.
Who knows....a better government might arise.
No doubt. The new communist regime needs to be eliminated and China returned to its former and rightful state. Hopefully civil war will start over there soon.
 

Brickjectivity

wind and rain touch not this brain
Staff member
Premium Member
Why does that country want to drag everyone into a war over some sea that it never claimed before? It doesn't seem like a product of clear thinking.
 

Shaul

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Premium Member
China is moving to invade Taiwan. The Chinese government has no respect for Biden. (Remember the humiliation at the Alaska meeting?) He is their puppet. They are just wondering if enough other interests in America will keep Biden from giving away Taiwan.
 

Brickjectivity

wind and rain touch not this brain
Staff member
Premium Member
These actions around Taiwan indicate that the PRC military senses weakness. My guess is its an intelligence superiority given the leaks that have been revealed in our press. One report in the mainline press said that a lot of personal documentation of persons seeking top secret clearance had been leaked supposedly to agents of the PRC. Other leaks have been reported, too. I'm not sure how things have gotten so leaky. I hope its a ruse.
 

Suave

Simulated character
U.S. And Chinese Carrier Groups Mass In The South China Sea

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Reminds me of the line from The Hunt For Red October:

Jeffrey Pelt : It would be well for your government to consider that having your ships and ours, your aircraft and ours, in such proximity... is inherently DANGEROUS. Wars have begun that way, Mr. Ambassador.





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China is circling Taiwan with drones and having overflights across the southwestern portion of the Taiwan Strait.

China's foreign minister said that the US should stop "inciting quarrels and sowing discord." But which side is being more quarrelsome here?

The South China Sea is very important to China for a couple of reasons: Firstly, the Spratly Islands have historically belonged to China. Secondly, China has been willing to resolve bilateral claim issues with other claimant regional states. By doing so, China would justifiably be able to claim jurisdiction on adjacent waters under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. (UNCLOS)

In order for the U.S. to avoid any armed military conflict with China, I'd like the U.S. Navy to circumvent the South China Sea.
 
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Suave

Simulated character
No doubt. The new communist regime needs to be eliminated and China returned to its former and rightful state. Hopefully civil war will start over there soon.
I object to the term "civil war", because I doubt there is anything civil about war. Also, I seriously doubt any other leadership in China could do a better job than its current leadership helping improve the overall well being of the Chinese people . According to the Consul General of the Consulate General of China in Lagos, Chu Maoming, "..over 700 million people in the People’s Republic of China have been lifted out of poverty."
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I object to the term "civil war", because I doubt there is anything civil about war. Also, I seriously doubt any other leadership in China could do a better job than its current leadership helping improve the overall well being of the Chinese people . According to the Consul General of the Consulate General of China in Lagos, Chu Maoming, "..over 700 million people in the People’s Republic of China have been lifted out of poverty."
Are you kidding? China is a brutal communist nation now.
 

Wu Wei

ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
China needs a revolution....keep its war within its own borders.
Who knows....a better government might arise.

Why do you think they're promoting Chinese patriotism as well as youth pro China groups.........And they need a threat, conflict or America for that....... They are still concerned about the "Mandate of Heaven".... Patriotic Chinese rally behind the government....they don't overthrow it
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Regarding human rights protection, China stresses the right to decent food, clean water, healthcare, education, and poverty elimination.
Hardly.

The food they feed their own soldiers for example ....


 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
China is out to prove that a ruthless dictatorship that brutalizes minorities, exercises thought control on the populace and pursues world dominance can be successful in the long run as long as people have some measure of material well being.

By being in terror of losing the 'mandate of heaven' as @Wu Wei pointed out, they also manifest a fundamental weakness that will inevitably sooner or later result in their collapse.

Their action to ensure material needs for their citizens is to avoid the loss of that mandate so does not represent a positive view of humanity but an ancient "divine right" mandate that is still with us.
 
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