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Have the love within religion been lost?

Spirit of Light

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
In many religions or should i say between religious people, has the love to existance been religious practices been lost?
Has it been excanged with hatred and distancing from other people and their belief? Is the focus of today to discredit others because their view or belief is different than our own?

Are we to focused of finding fault in others, or the religious teachings they follow that we forget our own teaching say to love all humanity? Or is it because we "hate" our self because we know we do wrong too?

This OP is not seen from an Islamic viewpoint alone.
 
Secret Chief

Secret Chief

nirvana is samsara
Conscious thoughts said:
In many religions or should i say between religious people, has the love to existance been religious practices been lost?
Has it been excanged with hatred and distancing from other people and their belief? Is the focus of today to discredit others because their view or belief is different than our own?

Are we to focused of finding fault in others, or the religious teachings they follow that we forget our own teaching say to love all humanity? Or is it because we "hate" our self because we know we do wrong too?

This OP is not seen from an Islamic viewpoint alone.
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I think the negativity done in the name of religions has impacted on the views between "tribes." This could, for instance, be wars or simply attitudes towards certain "categories" of people. It's hard to love someone that is trying to save you from eternal hell or else denies you your right to self-identification.
 
Spirit of Light

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Secret Chief said:
I think the negativity done in the name of religions has impacted on the views between "tribes." This could, for instance, be wars or simply attitudes towards certain "categories" of people. It's hard to love someone that is trying to save you from eternal hell or else denies you your right to self-identification.
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I know islam say to save others by converting them to islam, But I believe people will convert by them self if that is what feels right for them. Forcing others do not work
 
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Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Conscious thoughts said:
I know islam say to save others by converting them to islam, But I believe people will convert by them self if that is what feels right for them. Forcing others do not work
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There was a verse(s) I quoted near I think a month back in one of your threads. It mentioned that there is no force to convert others, but to educate them. So, in that sense, I don't "think" (from those verses) they mean force but to educate unto conversion.

Does the Quran mean force?

It sounds like you may have a different angle of perspective than the Quran?
 
Spirit of Light

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Unveiled Artist said:
There was a verse(s) I quoted near I think a month back in one of your threads. It mentioned that there is no force to convert others, but to educate them. So, in that sense, I don't "think" (from those verses) they mean force but to educate unto conversion.

Does the Quran mean force?

It sounds like you may have a different angle of perspective than the Quran?
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Sufism teach me to look within and through study of the teachings, and study of the physical world to find love everywhere. So to forcefully try to convert someone is extremisms to me, and i can not do that.
The way i see/understand it is that the Quran do not teach us to force others, but t o guide them(if they let us) toward something that let them see the truth/love too.

But the most important and maybe most effective to "convert" someone is to live by example.
So yes i do look different on the Quran then mainstream Sunni or Shia muslims. a more practical way i would say. But of course the teaching of Allah is still just as important to me.
 
shunyadragon

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Conscious thoughts said:
In many religions or should i say between religious people, has the love to existance been religious practices been lost?
Has it been excanged with hatred and distancing from other people and their belief? Is the focus of today to discredit others because their view or belief is different than our own?

Are we to focused of finding fault in others, or the religious teachings they follow that we forget our own teaching say to love all humanity? Or is it because we "hate" our self because we know we do wrong too?

This OP is not seen from an Islamic viewpoint alone.
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I do not believe that human nature has changed since humans first became human. Regardless of old religions or new religions, love is an attribute of human nature that can be embraced, discarded, found and lost throughout the history of humanity.

The relevance of older ancient religions is indeed fading as the world changes and evolves making the broader universal love difficult especially in the compassion and love for those that believe differently.
 
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Spirit of Light

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
shunyadragon said:
I do not believe that human nature has changed since humans first became human. Old religions or new religions, love is an attribute of human nature that can be embraced, discarded, found and lost throughout the history of humanity.
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I agree with you on this, but it raises a question, if you do not mind.

Why do so many religious people almost seem to become angry when someone say something about, even I believe this teaching, other religions may also have truth to them. What is it with this statement that upset so many religious people?
 
shunyadragon

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Conscious thoughts said:
I agree with you on this, but it raises a question, if you do not mind.

Why do so many religious people almost seem to become angry when someone say something about, even I believe this teaching, other religions may also have truth to them. What is it with this statement that upset so many religious people?
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This type of conflict between religions is nothing new considering the tribalism of ancient religions that divide people. The compassion and love for those that believe differently has always been a problem. It still remains the the sense of identity and community of ancient religions is exclusive to their own community or tribe. For example the divisions in Islam follow dominantly historical tribal affiliations.
 
Sirona

Sirona

Hindu Wannabe
Conscious thoughts said:
Is the focus of today to discredit others because their view or belief is different than our own?
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Excuse me but this question is daft beyond compare. Criticism is legitimate, and think in most cases, people have good reasons for it, such as, when a religious group isolates its members from their families, for example, or when it downplays less palatable parts of their teaching to the public, or reveals them fully only after the member has committed themselves to the group. One way of responding to criticism in the Hare Krishna community is, "they are just jealous of Krishna". Likewise, I don't think anyone is actually jealous about another person having chosen another controversial religion, such as Islam.

Faith gives comfort. When your religion feels good, keep it. I just think it's funny to keep posting about your religion in a forum knowing that it will ll likely generate criticism, and then complaining that nobody leaves you alone.
 
Spirit of Light

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Sirona said:
Excuse me but this question is daft beyond compare. Criticism is legitimate, and think in most cases, people have good reasons for it, such as, when a religious group isolates its members from their families, for example, or when it downplays less palatable parts of their teaching to the public, or reveals them fully only after the member has committed themselves to the group. One way of replying to criticism in the Hare Krishna community is, "they are just jealous of Krishna". Likewise, I don't think anyone is actually jealous about another person having another controversial religion, such as Islam.

Faith gives comfort. When your religion feels good, keep it. I just think it's funny to keep posting about your religion in a forum knowing that it will ll likely generate criticism, and then complaining that nobody leaves you alone.
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Personally i do not complaining anymore about people critique me or my belief. That is not what this OP is about at all. The OP is about when example a religin say, you can only believe there is on God, I do understand the reason for this is to keep the believer not wandering around and take teachings from other religions and mix it. But to say only one God can exist, so every other religious teaching must be wrong?

So no this is not about personal critique
Why can we not be happy for others from other religions for what they find to be inner peace and love for them?
 
Sirona

Sirona

Hindu Wannabe
Conscious thoughts said:
Personally i do not complaining anymore about people critique me or my belief. That is not what this OP is about at all. The OP is about when example a religin say, you can only believe there is on God, I do understand the reason for this is to keep the believer not wandering around and take teachings from other religions and mix it. But to say only one God can exist, so every other religious teaching must be wrong?

So no this is not about personal critique
Why can we not be happy for others from other religions for what they find to be inner peace and love for them?
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Take a second look at what I said. "Faith gives comfort. When your religion feels good, keep it." I just think its self-contradictory to keep posting and then complaining that "nobody agrees with you", especially when some people have shown a tendency for preaching and almost everytime manage to sound in a way that the audience might perceive as incredibly condescending.
 
Spirit of Light

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Sirona said:
Take a second look at what I said. "Faith gives comfort. When your religion feels good, keep it." I just think its self-contradictory to keep posting and then complaining that "nobody agrees with you", especially when some people have shown a tendency for preaching and almost everytime manage to sound in a way that the audience might perceive as incredibly condescending.
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The "nobody agree with me" aspect is gone It is not why i keep posting questions in RF. I am willing to learn and understand more, and then questions is a good way to learn what others think.
My past posting may have been done in a selfish way but to realize it was not done correctly my present and future posting is not made personal that "conscious thoughts must be correct, others is wrong" that kind of thoughts is very wrong anyway and shold not be done.

So my "goal" in RF is to enjoy listening to anyone who wish to speak about how they see and understand things.
 
RestlessSoul

RestlessSoul

Well-Known Member
I do believe that God is Love.


And certainly missing from much religious practice. No love, no God. Know love, know God.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Conscious thoughts said:
In many religions or should i say between religious people, has the love to existance been religious practices been lost?
Has it been excanged with hatred and distancing from other people and their belief? Is the focus of today to discredit others because their view or belief is different than our own?

Are we to focused of finding fault in others, or the religious teachings they follow that we forget our own teaching say to love all humanity? Or is it because we "hate" our self because we know we do wrong too?

This OP is not seen from an Islamic viewpoint alone.
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Within my parents' lifetime, it was legal for country clubs to ban Jews or Muslims from joining.

Within my grandparents' lifetime, there were public parks in Toronto that had "gentiles only" signs at the entrances. And while it wasn't technically illegal, it was nearly impossible for a Catholic to be elected to public office in this province.

My father told me about his experience in Belfast as a child growing up in a Protestant family. His family's landlord - who was Catholic - passed away, so his father took the family to the wake to pay their respects; that was the first time he ever spoke to a Catholic.

In terms of acceptance and togetherness across religions, I think we're doing much better than we once did, overall.
 
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