stvdv
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I think it all boils down to "Lack of Love"
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Are Humans Their Own Worst Enemy?
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stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Praying to God, meditating, singing God's Glory
firedragon
Veteran Member
Looking back through their history both secular and religious, it is very apparent that humans are poor examples of how to lead the world and each other in the right direction.
Looking at today’s world and seeing the advances in technology and science and the decline in religious practice, what conclusions can we come to? Is science the more intelligent way to go?Is the seeming demise of religion what the world needs to move forward?
For every advancement that science makes, the planet is paying for it in some way. We, as supposedly the most intelligent inhabitants of this planet seem to throw caution to the wind when implementing things that will save us time and money. All focus seems to be on the here and now, but little attention is paid to what consequences may come from such a short sighted view.
What are some of the upsides and opposing downsides that you can think of where humans could demonstrate more responsibility for the environment?
I’ll start off with the one thing that humans invented that is now choking the world.....plastic pollution.
Plastics became popular in the 1960’s and were originally a boon to every household and an accumulation of plastic containers and gadgets flooded the market with “must have” implements and storage containers with lids. But here we are 6 decades later and we are drowning in the stuff because we failed to see how long this product would take to break down like natural products do.
What would you offer as a solution? Should we get rid of plastic and substitute a more environmentally friendly product like hemp? If so what do we do with all the existing plastic that is clogging our landfill, oceans and rivers?
Should we make the manufacturers more accountable?
Thoughts....?
Humans are on top of the food chain due to their advancement in technology. So it is only humans who could above humans in the food chain.
Thats it.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Thats an absolute falsehood. Embracing science, humans have mass murdered and become the Bain of humans themselves. Not ignoring science.
So I think as a so called "scientific person" dont be so blatantly unscientific and so bitterly false.
Redemptionsong
Well-Known Member
I believe God has come to solve the issue, and will return to finish the job! Just a pity more people don't take notice of his calling card!
PureX
Veteran Member
Science cannot overcome human selfishness, and the short-sighted and self-destructive results that this incurs. It can help us to mitigate the damage, but at the same time, it is also enabling our ability to do even more and greater damage.
Science in not the solution. And neither is religion. There very likely is no solution. Humanity may have been doomed to self-destruct from the start.
Science in not the solution. And neither is religion. There very likely is no solution. Humanity may have been doomed to self-destruct from the start.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Anybody can get calling cards printed. USD 2 for 100.
Humans possibly are the most intelligent species on this planet, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are intelligent enough to survive as a species. When this might mean having to recognise that we have limitations and that what we apparently see as being free is just not so. Witness the damage we have done in the last few hundred years to our environment, but where science alone is not the culprit - as some suggest. Our foolishness is the culprit - in not looking far enough ahead.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Survival of species does not depend on intelligence but on environment. When things get out of control, nothing can help. Humans have been here for just 200,000 years. For most of the earth's time, humans were not around. **mod edit**
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Samael_Khan
Goosebender
That is definitely one aspect of it. Also willful ignorance. One can be completely selfish and still see that the world needs saving for their own benefit, considering that they live on this planet too.
Redemptionsong
Well-Known Member
You're quite right. So we should be careful which callers we entertain. I look to see if the caller is backed by a reputable company, which is this case would be God's chosen people, Israel [Psalm 33:12]!
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Don't you think that "willful ignorance" also boils down to "lack of Love"?
If you really Love your Self, you can't even be "willful ignorant" and hurt yourself in the process
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
It will take a miracle to prevent the damage we are doing to the environment from being terminal.
Looking back through their history both secular and religious, it is very apparent that humans are poor examples of how to lead the world and each other in the right direction.
Looking at today’s world and seeing the advances in technology and science and the decline in religious practice, what conclusions can we come to? Is science the more intelligent way to go?
For every advancement that science makes, the planet is paying for it in some way. We, as supposedly the most intelligent inhabitants of this planet seem to throw caution to the wind when implementing things that will save us time and money. All focus seems to be on the here and now, but little attention is paid to what consequences may come from such a short sighted view.
What are some of the upsides and opposing downsides that you can think of where humans could demonstrate more responsibility for the environment?
I’ll start off with the one thing that humans invented that is now choking the world.....plastic pollution.
Plastics became popular in the 1960’s and were originally a boon to every household and an accumulation of plastic containers and gadgets flooded the market with “must have” implements and storage containers with lids. But here we are 6 decades later and we are drowning in the stuff because we failed to see how long this product would take to break down like natural products do.
What would you offer as a solution? Should we get rid of plastic and substitute a more environmentally friendly product like hemp? If so what do we do with all the existing plastic that is clogging our landfill, oceans and rivers?
Should we make the manufacturers more accountable?
Thoughts....?
Science cured COVID, and the Vatican didn't have faith that God would keep them safe, so they restricted travel to the Vatican.
Also, in the news, numerous Catholic priests raped little boys, and the church covered it up, telling families that they must protect the reputation of the church, and moved the priests to different parishes where they could rape again. Now the Catholic church is declaring bankruptcy to protect its mammon and graven images to keep its victims from just compensation.
Throngs of Christians joined the Religious Right, and through them elected Presidents Reagan, Bush, and W. Bush. That made the Iran Contra scandal (Supporting dictators of Nicaragua against Sandinistas who want a wage that would allow them to live, and education for their kids. Making counterfeit currency and selling illegal narcotics in America to pay for imitation Russian weapons to Iranian dictators). They made a war against science, denying man's influence on Global Warming, and making the problem worse, putting in logging roads in forests, drilling offshore, fracking (suspending the Clean Water Act), and all of these things because of greed. The rich were given many tax breaks, which outsourced factories abroad for cheap foreign labor (making unemployment in America and defective products), and hoards of homeless resulted, along with huge National Debt (Obama contributed to the National Debt to pay for the bankrupted companies to recover). W. Bush was the worst enemy of the environment, and many Christians believed that they would rapture to heaven, leaving behind a toxic waste site where once stood God's miraculous environment.
Voting with the Religious Right was like handing the keys to a car to a drunken teenager, and, when he crashes, handing the keys to him again to crash another car. It is irresponsible abuse of power.
You now blame science for all of the things caused by the Religious Right.
Religion is declining because theists realize that their candidates blew it. Wars, a torture camp in Guantanamo, environmental destruction, horrible economy, declining education, and ignored homeless, cause the faithful to lose faith.
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Are Humans Their Own Worst Enemy?
But as you include yourself in the group "believing in all the religious and superstitious crap, and ignoring science", you show humility, I like that
Normally I am not a huge fan of generalizing "all humans", because it sound like "ignoring science", because who can possibly know about "all"?
But as you include yourself in the group "believing in all the religious and superstitious crap, and ignoring science", you show humility, I like that
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
I am a Hindu (and an atheist). It is not that I do not have a religion, but my belief goes with science and not superstition. I am lamenting that most people believe in superstitions.
Psalms, Christian prayers, but I am a Hindu and an atheist. Why would I believe in that without being given any proof? Hindu Gods are not tribal. They do not have chosen people, they treat all people equally. Israel is India's friend and Indians have been friends to Jews for more than 2,000 years. They lived with us in peace and harmony. They were never persecuted in India like in many other regions. Are you an Israeli?
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Humans have certainly taken the technology arising from science to do great harm, but there are a greater number of people living better and longer today than at previous points in history due to the application of scientific discoveries too.
I think where we have fallen down is in our wisdom of how those discoveries are applied. It is not science, but people that are responsible for what ails us and the environment.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
a recent documentary displays.......
nearly HALF
of the plastic problem ......is FISHING
that's right
the industry uses plastic netting
and it is discarded at the first sign of failure
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NewGuyOnTheBlock
Cult Survivor/Fundamentalist Pentecostal Apostate
Thanks for starting this thread. I was hoping you would and I am anxious to respond.
Yes. We are. I say that confidently, without a doubt in my mind.
But that is only half the story, I believe. When things are going wrong, when there are atrocities, it is also man who acts against it. So we are also our best heroes.
I don't blame "science" as science is only knowledge. I wish science to continue to progress to grow the knowledge base of mankind.
It is the "application of science" where the problems come from. We so often put into practice what we do know; only to realize later that there were things we did not know. And there is a price to be paid for shortsightedness.
Taking things to basics, when I see how people drive their cars with no respect for the power over life and death they wield (and their overconfidence in their ability to control their vehicle and no thought of their lack of ability to control what is outside of their windshield); people hurting themselves or others doing really stupid stuff with common items; foolish accident with guns or electricity, for example; the rush to move forward with reassignment surgery; -- I see a trend where our sciences outpace our wisdom to wield it.
The solution, here, is not to reject science, as science has brought us the ability to communicate with loved ones in real time, has enabled us to eradicate many diseases from the face of the earth, has solved problems that has been caused by previous use, has prolonged human life to the point that we can look forward to seeing our great grandchildren grow into grownups -- But instead, the solution imho is exercising greater temperance in its application.
It does seem that way, yes; and maybe even IS that way sometimes. But often, I think it is simply not knowing or fully realizing the full impact implementation of technology will have in a highly complex system. Another poster made some very good points on this.
Humans ... and science ... are working hard at finding solutions to this issue. Interestingly enough, I ran across a short statement from Pew Research outlaying their plan to outlay a plan, working together with several other organizations including major universities, to combat this issue. A spray bottle I picked up had a label on it: "Made from 100% recycled ocean bound plastic" -- so harvesting and recycling will undoubtedly be a part of the solution. (Of course this does no good if it ends up back there -- but it's a good start).
Exactly!!
Yes.
Anarchism sets ideals that can never be achieved. At its core, it is deeply flawed as anarchy is inherently unsustainable.
Perhaps you missed in the history books Mary I, Elizabeth Bathory, or Marie Antoinette.
Poor governing, the willingness to do harm, selfishness, abusing power -- these are not "male" flaws. These are "human" flaws.
Yes. We are. I say that confidently, without a doubt in my mind.
But that is only half the story, I believe. When things are going wrong, when there are atrocities, it is also man who acts against it. So we are also our best heroes.
I don't blame "science" as science is only knowledge. I wish science to continue to progress to grow the knowledge base of mankind.
It is the "application of science" where the problems come from. We so often put into practice what we do know; only to realize later that there were things we did not know. And there is a price to be paid for shortsightedness.
Taking things to basics, when I see how people drive their cars with no respect for the power over life and death they wield (and their overconfidence in their ability to control their vehicle and no thought of their lack of ability to control what is outside of their windshield); people hurting themselves or others doing really stupid stuff with common items; foolish accident with guns or electricity, for example; the rush to move forward with reassignment surgery; -- I see a trend where our sciences outpace our wisdom to wield it.
The solution, here, is not to reject science, as science has brought us the ability to communicate with loved ones in real time, has enabled us to eradicate many diseases from the face of the earth, has solved problems that has been caused by previous use, has prolonged human life to the point that we can look forward to seeing our great grandchildren grow into grownups -- But instead, the solution imho is exercising greater temperance in its application.
It does seem that way, yes; and maybe even IS that way sometimes. But often, I think it is simply not knowing or fully realizing the full impact implementation of technology will have in a highly complex system. Another poster made some very good points on this.
Humans ... and science ... are working hard at finding solutions to this issue. Interestingly enough, I ran across a short statement from Pew Research outlaying their plan to outlay a plan, working together with several other organizations including major universities, to combat this issue. A spray bottle I picked up had a label on it: "Made from 100% recycled ocean bound plastic" -- so harvesting and recycling will undoubtedly be a part of the solution. (Of course this does no good if it ends up back there -- but it's a good start).
Exactly!!
Yes.
Anarchism sets ideals that can never be achieved. At its core, it is deeply flawed as anarchy is inherently unsustainable.
Perhaps you missed in the history books Mary I, Elizabeth Bathory, or Marie Antoinette.
Poor governing, the willingness to do harm, selfishness, abusing power -- these are not "male" flaws. These are "human" flaws.