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Why Didn't God Leave Huge Quantities of Secular Evidence For Jesus?

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
There's no such thing as sin. It's an invention of the church to keep people enslaved to it. Therefore there was no need for Jesus to die on any manner, not from jumping off a temple OR on a cross. No need for it.

Isaiah 1:18 mentioned sin long before the institution of the church existed.

Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

The price of sin is why Jesus died on the cross. Either we accept Jesus paying for our sins or we pay for our sins in eternal separation from Jesus.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
It means 'circular reasoning'.

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Skywalker

Well-Known Member
It means 'circular reasoning'.

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Why do you believe there is no eternity or answering to God? The human soul was created to live forever. When people do something wrong, they have to stand before a judge and answer to him. What is the breath of life? | GotQuestions.org

Question: "What is the breath of life?"

Answer:
The climax of God’s creative work was His extraordinary creation of man. “The LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being” (Genesis 2:7). The supreme Creator of heaven and earth did two things in creating man. First, He formed him from the very dust of the ground, and, second, He breathed His own breath into the nostrils of Adam. This distinguished man from all of God’s other creatures.

This one passage contains three significant facts about man’s creation. The first is that God and God alone created man. Man did not evolve under the influence of blind, meaningless forces. Accidental physics and chemistry did not form man. All the cells, DNA, atoms, molecules, hydrogen, protons, neutrons, or electrons did not create man. These are only the substances that make up man’s physical body. The Lord God formed man. The Lord God created the substances, and then He used those substances to create man.

The word formed is a translation of the Hebrew yatsar, which means “to mold, shape, or form.” It conjures an image of a potter who has the intelligence and the power to form his creation. God is the Master Potter who had the image of man within His mind and who possesses the power and the intelligence to bring that image to life. God had both the omniscience (all-knowledge) and the omnipotence (all-power) to do exactly what He wanted.

Second, God breathed His own breath of life into man. Man is more than “dust” or physical substance. Man has a spirit. We can picture it this way: Adam’s body had just been formed by God from the dust of the earth—a lifeless human body lying on the ground. Then God leaned over and “breathed” His own “breath of life” into the man’s nostrils; God is the Source of life, and He directly placed life within man. This breath of life is seen again in John 20:22, as Jesus imparts new life to His disciples.

Third, Genesis 2:7 tells us that man became a living soul (KJV). The word soul in Hebrew is nephesh, meaning “an animated, breathing, conscious, and living being.” Man did not become a living soul until God breathed life into him. As a physical, animate, rational, and spiritual being, man is unique among all living things upon the earth.

So, what is the breath of God? It is the life and power of God, given to man to animate him. The Hebrew word for spirit is ruach, which means “wind, breath, air, spirit.” The life of God lives on and on; the immaterial part of man was designed to live eternally. The only question is where will we live?
 

SeekingAllTruth

Well-Known Member
Isaiah 1:18 mentioned sin long before the institution of the church existed.

Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

The price of sin is why Jesus died on the cross. Either we accept Jesus paying for our sins or we pay for our sins in eternal separation from Jesus.
Jesus' death if he did indeed die was a waste of a good life. His death didn't have any more power to free you from your so-called sins than mine would.
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
How much more power than a judge should a God have ?

God is the Savior of the world, but if someone rejects Him, He will be their judge.

For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
Jesus' death if he did indeed die was a waste of a good life. His death didn't have any more power to free you from your so-called sins than mine would.

Jesus's death did have the power to free us, because Jesus is God and Jesus could not have died for our sins without being divine. Rob Bell: Populating Hell | Good Fight Ministries

Hell and Love

Jesus did not soften the truth about Hell and eternal punishment in an attempt to make His message more palatable to accommodate culture. Rather, Jesus warned about Hell more than all of the prophets and apostles combined.

Jesus did this and gave His life for the sins of the world, because He cares deeply for us and does not will that any would perish (Mathew 18:14). His heart truly does break for those who refuse to follow Him (Matthew 23:37-39). Jesus warned about Hell because He doesn’t want anyone to choose to go there. He warned about Hell because He knew well that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge (Proverbs 1:7) and wisdom (Psalm 111:10).

Not one soul will ‘inadvertently’ slip through the cracks and end up in Hell. We all deserve to be condemned (Romans 3:1-10, 23; 6:23) and we should all be going there. However, God is love (1 John 4:8, 16) and in His incredible mercy and grace He demonstrated His love for us in His incarnation (John 1:14) and in His substitutionary sacrifice on the cross for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2). God demonstrated His own love to us, that while we were still sinners, He sent His Son to pay the penalty we deserve (Romans 5:6-10).
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Why do you believe there is no eternity or answering to God? The human soul was created to live forever.
When people do something wrong, they have to stand before a judge and answer to him.
Provide some evidence other than what is there in your books and I will join you. God and soul are human imagination.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
The God of the Bible is just. When you do something wrong there is a consequence. Even the most fair judge has to punish someone who commits a crime.
If you believe that you have either not read or do not understand the Bible.

Tell me, do you believe the Adam and Eve myth?
 

SeekingAllTruth

Well-Known Member
God is the Savior of the world, but if someone rejects Him, He will be their judge.

For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
If he is their savior then he saves them he doesn't judge them. Backfire in your logic.
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
If you believe that you have either not read or do not understand the Bible.

Tell me, do you believe the Adam and Eve myth?

I believe that humanity had a choice to choose between good and evil and chose evil. God wants us to obey him out of our own free will and not be robots. Adam and Eve disobeyed God because they wanted to be their own God, like people today.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I believe that humanity had a choice to choose between good and evil and chose evil. God wants us to obey him out of our own free will and not be robots. Adam and Eve disobeyed God because they wanted to be their own God, like people today.
So you do not believe the Adam and Eve myth since that was not what it was about.

Even with your cleaned up version it paints God as unjust.
 
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