The Words spoken by Jesus His Pre-Eminence.

Yahcubs777 said:

I have been making threads asking people to look deeper into the parables of Jesus His Pre-Eminence to better understand the messages that Jesus His Pre-Eminence preached. But i can now see that it is not really helping. The reason is because i have seen many people do not take the Words of Jesus His Pre-Eminence seriously to the point that it is imperative for them to know and understand them. It seems like they also do not feel that they should. Its just a parable so as long as we have known what salvation is, its not really important. I on the other hand do not see it that way. To me, ALL the Words of Jesus His Pre-Eminence above all. And i am not just saying this with the lips, rather, this is a confession of my rating of HIS Words. So for me, the parables have in them the very core message that Jesus His Pre-Eminence preached.
So rather than focus on the parables, let us discuss the teachings of Jesus His Pre-Eminence.

Here are a few verses that i hope we can look deeper into, knowing the identity of the one speaking, and also being able to see what did come to pass of all that HE said.

Matthew 15
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Wow! Imagine being Isaiah and reading this. The GOD of Isaiah commended him saying he did this well. I read this passage, and it reminds me of another he spoke.

John 4

21 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.

20Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.

21Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

25The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. 26Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

I love this passage. The reason is because of verse 23. When you look at the Words of the Psalmist for instance, his words are the kind that i think fits this description. And not just the Psalmist, but all the Prophets.

In the first verse I posted, HE revealed to us that they even worshipping in Jerusalem, and having all these nice things to say, but their hearts are far from HIM. For me, personally, I look at the Prophets and how they desired so much for the Words of GOD to come to them. Not just calling HIM all these nice names, and praising HIM for being their GOD, but also having things to say in knowledge. Reading the Words of the Prophets for me is revealing how to worship HIM in Spirit and in truth.

That its not just going to any church you have accepted as your church, or reading the bible, and praying unceasingly... For me its something that cannot be faked. It comes from deep within the Spirit being of the person, and therefore cannot be faked. And that is what I receive from the Words of the Prophets; that how to worship HIM in Spirit and in truth is knowing HIM, HIS Ways, HIS ordanances, HIS laws, HIS Words, understanding them as HE meant them to be understood, and having a deep desire for HIS Revelations, HIS Most Holy Character, HIS Most Holy Nature; knowing HIS love experientially, not assumiing it, knowing HIS Fatherhood, understanding that HIS Fatherhood is not an assumption, but genetic.

So what i am trying to point out, is that HE made it clear here that the true worshippers (which means there are the false, the ones that are not worshipping), worship HIM in Spirit and in truth. And it was written like it hasn't happened before. But then what about Daniel, David, Isaiah, Elijah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, did they not worship the GOD they know in Spirit and in truth? Yes they did.

So it was here that HE revealed that they had not been doing it. And what would cause that? They had with them the scrolls of the Prophets. They had Revelations of the GOD given to them by the Prophets sent to them. That revealed to me, that just knowing that GOD is the Provider, knowing that was said, is still not worshipping HIM in Spirit and in truth. When Abraham called a place, Jehovah Jireh, it was out of knowledge of how the GOD is.

Many people call GOD their provider, and thank HIM for the food and shelter, and family and so on that they have. Great. But is that really coming from a place of knowledge? Or is it just repeating what was written? What about all the people that do not have food, shelter, and family, and so on. Is it that the GOD that provided that for you, does not provide it for them? So you are saying that GOD is partial? This is what I mean. So then my question would be, what is HE providing for you?

i think that this is an important question to ask. For the GOD said that the true worshippers worship HIM in Spirit and in truth. I desire to be in that fold that worship HIM in Spirit and truth.

When they say things like: No one is like unto thee, it sounds nice. But its not true. What about the person that was written: And GOD made Man in HIS image and after HIS likeness? And that is not all Man, just one. What about King David who was referred to as Man after GOD's own heart?

When they say things like: O God, thou is so good! I am so thankful for all that I have. I want to worship you. And things that sound nice, but are they really speaking from personal experiential knowledge of the GOD?

Will you say to your biological father: Thank you dad for providing a roof over my head, and giving me my food, and my bed to sleep in, and my clothes to wear? LIkely no. Because that is expected. You being the child should be provided for by your parents. Its not something you feel should be thanked. But you expect that out of the love they have for you, and your dependence on them.

Then look at another Jesus His Pre-Eminence spoke:

Matthew 7
9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?

10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?

11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

And another..

Matthew 6
25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?

26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?

27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?

28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:

29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?

31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Why would I be thanking GOD for these, if my GOD is my Father? Do you thank your biological parents for them seriously? And this is what I mean by speaking in knowledge. What GOD Provides for me, is HIS Revelations that reveal HIS Most Holy Character. The Spirit searcheth the deep things of GOD. Oh! Worship HIM in Spirit and in truth! I thank the GOD for providing me with HIS bread and wine, which is much more precious to me than the perishable things of this world. That is what i have known and understood about GOD being my provider.

For me, this is of utmost importance. Not just because I want to be a true worshipper, but because I also do not want to say things to the GOD out of irreverance, or lack of regard for HIM; out of a state of ignorance...

Imagine finding out the person you questioned was the GOD of creation, and HIS reply to you was: Ye err because ye know not the scriptures.

I have understood that I am addressing the GOD. Its not something that should just be anyhow. Just because I hear some people calling HIM names, doesn't mean I will say it. But if i have known it is true, by revelation, then I will say it knowing that I all i speak to HIM is from the deep within my Spirit Being.

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Yahcubs777 said:

By knowing my GOD as ive said time and time again. And knowing what the catholic church has done. They are the ones that installed "fatherhood" in the priesthood. They are the ones that crucified Jesus His Pre-Eminence,and they are the ones claiming to be the church that GOD said HE would build.

Also by knowing what it means holy. Even the Prophets were called good. If we are to call no man good, then no Prophet should be called good either.
And finally by understanding the family tree of the children of the kingdom.

Believe me or not I don't care.

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Fool said:

thanks for pointing out that jesus didn't say to worship himself as god absolute. there is no exact image for god given all men are created in the image of god and are gods.

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firedragon said:

Do you really think that answers these questions?

1. The verse is Matthew 19:17. On what basis do you say it is in error?
2. You quoted just two verses following this. How do you decide this is an error, but what you quoted is not?

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Yahcubs777 said:

It is the only answer. Take it or leave it.

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Yahcubs777 said:

I desire to know my GOD, not to sacrifice food unto idols. And therefore i do not accept anything written that is not in agreement with the GOD i know.

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Yahcubs777 said:

It has. What Jesus HIs Pre-Eminence spoke of, is the same thing Moses spoke of, the same thing Joel spoke of, the same thing Isaiah spoke of, Ezekiel, Daniel, Jeremiah, and so on... The same thing Apostle Peter spoke about. And the same thing John the Beloved spoke about.

The Samaritan woman is defining the church. Whenever HE refers to someone as woman, HE is referring to the church. Just as Mother Eve was called "Woman" because she was taken out of Man. The Woman is the church. Her 5 husbands are the 5 Angels of the churches: Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua... The one that is not her husband, is Apostle Peter,,, Her husband is the good samaritan, spoken of in another parable that helped the man robbed on his way to Jericho.

The issue is the people have not understood the path to life; significance of Jericho. Moses was denied access into Jericho. That doesn't mean that he was not allowed to enter into a city, but that he must die. Jericho is the stage where the person has put of mortality, and put on immortality. Jordan is what comes next, which is where baptism takes place. That Baptism is transfiguration which happens across Jordan.

There is the path to life signposted in 2 kings 2, travelled by the Angels of the Churches to the Promised land which the Hebrews believed to be the entire earth. This is a revelation, but the earth Moses was supposed to find, and Joshua, the earth that was given to Abraham, is the new earth, the New Salem written of in the book of Revelation.

So there is great significance of reaching Jericho, and the man that was robbed on his way to Jericho, is John the Beloved. This is another revelation. For John the beloved was rumoured that he would not die. And they tried to boil him in oil and still couldnt kill him. But he later died which means he did not gain the launch into Jericho. This "Jericho" is where the building blocks of mortality are brought down, and the walled (world) is no longer a wall to you that is keeping you from seeing, and even entering into the kingdom. This terrestrial is walled off from the celestial. That is why Jesus HIs Pre-Eminence said: Except ye are born again, ye cannot see the kingdom. But they wrote that Moses was shown Jericho, but was denied access. That is another teaching that needs explanations.

Now regarding the worshipping HIM in Spirit and in truth, is refering to "The Spirit of Truth" that GOD said HE would send. The issue is the people believe that was in connection with "The day of Pentacost"... For some reason, they are very confused and think that GOD must talk to HIMSELF to teach the people. For it is written: When he the Spirit of truth is come, he shall lead you into all truth. And he will not speak of himself, but he will speak only what he hears.

This is actually speaking of a prophet, who hears from GOD directly, and leads the people into all truth. And that Prophet is Elijah.

So Jesus His Pre-Eminence is speaking of the people that will be led by that Prophet, and they will be led into all truth. That people will worship HIM in Spirit and truth, which is connected to the covenant that Jermiah spoke of, and Joel, and the Prophets Prophesied of him coming... That is the Son of Man. Jesus His Pre-Eminence is not the Son of any Man, nor is HE the Son of GOD, HE is GOD and the Father of Adam His Eminence who is the only begotten Son of GOD.

The point of this thread, was to show that the Prophets who received word from GOD directly, know their GOD, and worship HIM in Spirit and in truth. TO show that knowledge of HIM is the only way to worship HIM. That desire to know GOD intimately, to know as much as possible about HIM, is worshipping HIM in Spirit and in truth. And that is what HE meant when HE said:

Love the LORD your GOD with all your heart, with all your strength, and with all your mind.
And Love thy neighbour as thyself.

Therefore, HE said: Seek ye first the kingdom of GOD and HIS Righteousness, and all these shall be added unto you... TO show that everything is in that seeking.

Then look ask, seek, knock. It was written in this order, but Jesus His Pre-Eminence, the all knowing GOD, knew they would twist it, so it was here that HE put the seek first.

Seek, ask, knock is the correct order.

Seek: For thine is the kingdom.
Ask: The power
Knock: And the Glory

Forever and ever...

Seek the kingdom. When you have found the kingdom then you will know what to ask for.

Ask: Ask that the All merciful GOD, feeds you with HIS Revelations which are eucharistic, so that you transfigure in life. Why this? Because if you found the kingdom, then you will want to enter into it. And the only way to enter into it, is to be born again.

Knock: As i am eating the Revelations GOD is giving to me, i am knocking on the door to the celestial.

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oldbadger said:

Who told you that?
The whole story of Jesus is written in four gospels, and even they need careful scrutiny for additions and embellishments. Jesus was real, for sure, but that's it, as far as I can see, Yahcub.

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firedragon said:

Exactly. As I said, you pick what you like from the same bible, the same book, the same chapter, just a few verses apart, and since one verse doesnt match your "existing belief", you dismiss it by hook, or crook.

Cheers.

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wellwisher said:

Parables and fables are high performance memory tools for the human brain. They create memory pegs that can be retained for a lifetime. Even the atheists, who were once taught the story of say, Noah's Ark, will remember that story their entire life. We will all forget the rational analysis of this story, but we will remember the memory peg, since it is hard to forget.

The parable and story was a way to maintain the traditions as compressed files; memory pegs. As we get older, we learn how to decompress these files and look for deeper meaning. Others may decompress the files to look for ways to refute their meaning; atheist approach. Each generation of children begins with the same compressed files and each generation of adults decompresses these files and finds meaning in their own time.

The reason these dynamics work, is stories, parables and fables appeal to the natural brain's of children. Children love story time and many will even enjoy the same story repeated over and over. These create deeply engrained memories of childhood, love and closeness. Unless ye become as children.

The brain of the child evolves at the fastest rate within our entire lifetime. The brain size double in the first couple of years. The child's brain is able to out perform the adult brain in terms of memory. Any child can pick up any language in a short time. They are a clean slate that does not yet have conflicting wiring. There is a high level of efficiency for language and memory acquisition.

The child's brain also thinks in 3-D, which is not easy to put into words; their right brain leads. The right brain is the more natural side of the brain. This part of the brain is older and thinks in symbols, which are provided during story time. A talking animal is not part of our physical reality. Rather it symbolizes a specific interaction of human brain firmware, as the child's brain firmware wires itself for the future. These classic stories help to assure similar wiring for adulthood.

As we become adults, the brain slows it growth rate and the brain speed slows due to conflicting data. Ewe need to self censor more. This is when pretense and prestige become more important. As adults, the stories of childhood, although remembered, do not make as much sense to us. They need to be decompressed, to slow them down for the adult brain; 2-D instead of 3-D. This is left brain thinking which is more advanced, albeit slower. This is differential; 2-D, instead of integral thinking; 3-D.

The rational analysis of the decompressed files becomes more diversified, helping each other see the same file from many different angles, so we as the adult team can approximate the 3-D symbol of the child. The child's brain is eager to retain these memories ,since it contains 2-D command lines, for the operating system of the adult brain. They will someday inherit and can learn to use these command lines. Prayer and faith clicks on useful links through a thought-feeling interface.

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Yahcubs777 said:

I am not a believer. I will give you one last example.

If you knowing your biological father, heard a certain rumour about him that seemed to contradict what you know, would you immeditately accept that as true? Would you ask your father, or would you ask your mother, or wouldyou keep it to yourself and discard it as a rumour? Or would you take it as true and let it affect what you already know about him?

You need not answer me. This is given for you to know what I am saying.

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Yahcubs777 said:

These are the kinds of messages that are beyond gain say. Its either you agree, or disagree, but they are not debateable. For the truth is not debateable.

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My Man of GOD is revealing all these things.

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oldbadger said:

Yahcubs......... you've written all this in a debates section, all that which you claim is not debatable.


I can acknowledge your beliefs and faith, Yahcubs. But you are claiming certitude.

All I know is that the gospels, shed of their embellishments, tell a wonderful history about two men who stood up against Temple and Priesthood corruption. That's the history ........

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Yahcubs777 said:

My claim on whether it is debatable unfortunately doesn't stop people debating. I wanted to avoid moderation.

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That said I am certain of the things Ive shared. Thanks for your friendly replies though I appreciate them.

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oldbadger said:

OK.....

I find certainty, or certitude to be unusual in that most Christians have Faith, as in 'The Christian Faith'.

I don't point this at you, but I wouldn't want to batter against what folks believe in, as long as it doesn't impact on anybody else. But I do get cautious when folks tell me that their way and their God is only right and that every other religion or belief or politic is 'clinging to Satan', or that kind of attitude. Because a majority of folks like that could become a theocracy and that would be my idea of hell on Earth.

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