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Messiah

rosends

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The word “CHRIST” means “The Anointed One.”

Christ is the English term for the Greek Χριστός (Khristós) meaning "the anointed one" It is a translation of the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (Māšîaḥ), usually transliterated into English as Messiah or Mashiach. The Hebrew word translated "anointed" is the verb form of the noun "Messiah."

So, How do Jews refer to their Messiah?
We refer to those who were anointed as "king" or "priest" or even mashu'ach (one who has been anointed). Why would we use Greek?
 

The Anointed

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We refer to those who were anointed as "king" or "priest" or even mashu'ach (one who has been anointed). Why would we use Greek?

The Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (Māšîaḥ), usually transliterated into English as Messiah or Mashiach. The Hebrew word translated "anointed" is the verb form of the noun "Messiah."

So, who do you believe is your Messiah? Who was it, who was taken up by your Lord and anointed as your Messiah? Enoch, Moses, or Elijah, or perhaps some other?
 

rosends

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The Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (Māšîaḥ), usually transliterated into English as Messiah or Mashiach. The Hebrew word translated "anointed" is the verb form of the noun "Messiah."

So, who do you believe is your Messiah? Who was it, who was taken up by your Lord and anointed as your Messiah? Enoch, Moses, or Elijah, or perhaps some other?
Start with Aharon the high priest. Then you can move forward in time -- there were a bunch. Kings and priests (and, I believe some prophets) were anointed. Each then, was a mashiach. You ask who IS my messiah but that's impossible to answer. I can only tell you who were the messiahs of the Jewish people.
 

Skywalker

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It is not the job of the messiah to save you from your sins.

We can't save ourselves from our sins. Only God is a Savior. Isaiah 43:11

I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

If God isn't a trinity, can we be saved? The answer is no. | carm.org

There is no way that mere humans can satisfy the infinite judgment of a holy God because we are finite and sinners. We are not capable of doing enough good or being good enough to make things right. The only one left who is capable of performing a perfect act of atonement is God himself. Therefore, God the Son came down in the form of Jesus and bore the wrath of God the Father. But this could not be possible if God were not a Trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The second person of the Trinity became a man (John 1:1, 14; Phil. 2:5-8) and was subject to the Law (Gal. 4:4), bore our sins in his body on the cross (1 Pet. 2:24), and took our punishment (Isaiah 53:4-6). Without God being a Trinity this could not be possible; and there could be no full and complete incarnation which would make the sacrifice of Jesus of infinite value, which in turn would satisfy the judgment of an infinite God.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
We can't save ourselves from our sins. Only God is a Savior. Isaiah 43:11

I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

If God isn't a trinity, can we be saved? The answer is no. | carm.org
Yes, God forgives us from our sins. First we are to go to those we harmed and make things right with them. Then we go to God. We repent, turning away from our sin and turning back to God. He casts our sins into the sea and remembers them no more.

The messiah never even enters into the picture.
 

Skywalker

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Yes, God forgives us from our sins. First we are to go to those we harmed and make things right with them. Then we go to God. We repent, turning away from our sin and turning back to God. He casts our sins into the sea and remembers them no more.

The messiah never even enters into the picture.

Without becoming the Messiah God could not forgive us of sin because only God could pay the infinite price of sin, eternal separation from God, so that we could be forgiven.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Without becoming the Messiah God could not forgive us of sin because only God could pay the infinite price of sin, eternal separation from God, so that we could be forgiven.
Are you kidding? God can do whatever God darn well pleases. God does not need the messiah in order to forgive us our sins. God is full of justice and mercy, and that is all that is needed for the whole sin thing.

You are basically starting with NT doctrine, and then going backwards and attempting to force fit it into the Tenakh. It just is like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
 

Skywalker

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Are you kidding? God can do whatever God darn well pleases. God does not need the messiah in order to forgive us our sins. God is full of justice and mercy, and that is all that is needed for the whole sin thing.

You are basically starting with NT doctrine, and then going backwards and attempting to force fit it into the Tenakh. It just is like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

Can a righteous just judge just let a criminal go and say I forgive you? The Messiah was God taking our place on the cross, not just to forgive us of our sins but also so that we could come before God. Eternal separation from God exists because God is merciful but God is also just.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Can a righteous just judge just let a criminal go and say I forgive you? The Messiah was God taking our place on the cross, not just to forgive us of our sins but also so that we could come before God. Eternal separation from God exists because God is merciful but God is also just.
Yes. There are a times a righteous just judge looks at a criminal that has been found guity, sentences him, and then declares the sentence suspended or or limits it to time served.
 

Skywalker

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Yes. There are a times a righteous just judge looks at a criminal that has been found guity, sentences him, and then declares the sentence suspended or or limits it to time served.

A suspended sentence is only temporarily suspended. It doesn't take away from a just judge always has to give a penalty for someone committing a crime.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
A suspended sentence is only temporarily suspended. It doesn't take away from a just judge always has to give a penalty for someone committing a crime.
Then I'm just using the wrong word. Maybe its commuted or dismissed or whatever. A judge can choose not to enforce the penalty given. My understanding of a suspended sentences is that the criminal serves a period of probation after which the penalty is forgiven.
 
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