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Businesses Requiring Vaccine Passports

McBell

Resident Sourpuss
I doubt it.

I apparently do not understand that.

My little flip phone won't play with one of these:

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And never when I turned it on did it ask me if GPS was enabled.

Or if it wanted me to give my location.

But even if it did, so what.

In other words, I wouldn't be connecting with the Viral Passport App system of checks and balances and good citizen or bad cityzen enablement or whatever it would be.

Just no plane tickets for me.

No soup for Dave.

Peaceful Sabbath.
Your phone is able to be tracked if the battery is in it and has a charge.
Simple as that.

It does not even have to be turned on.

And ANYTHING you do online can be used to track you.
Every post on this or any other website can be used to track you.
Every device that connects to the internet: phone, computer, tablet, laptop, router, tv, game console, refrigerator, microwave, coffee maker, vehicle...
EVERYTHING that connects to the internet has a MAC address.
Without a MAC address, it can not connect to the internet.

Both MAC Address and IP Address are used to uniquely identify a machine on the internet. MAC address is provided by the chip maker while IP Address is provided by the Internet Service Provider.
Difference between MAC Address and IP Address
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Potential isn't a fact.

Have they proven that the virus "will" enough people (the risk is near 100% high) to go through with such a thing?

I'm sure there needs to be more study and thought than just going off potential and perceived risks. At the end, it's not an individual decision so hopefully its decided objectively not on emotionalism.
Then if "potential" isn't a fact, is there any evidence about the likelihood -- that is, of course, the odds of spreading?

And lo and behold, there is!

Now, what would you consider to be right number, if not 100%? Would anything under 80%, for example, be adequate to grant you exception? "Hey, I'm only going to infect somebody 4 out of 5 times, which means 1 out of 5 times I'm safe -- so don't bug me, man!"

What's your number?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
we don't know who has the virus
That is what makes distancing and masks necessary, because we don't know and this virus is very contagious and it loves to spread, and it seems to love to mutate as well given the number of animals it has jumped to and the number of variants we are finding.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Did you find out about the chest pains and breathing?
By the time I got my test results (negative) I had the sinus congestion and drainage to indicate a sinus infection. Doesn't normally come with chest symptoms, but I've also had some issues with asthma and difficulty breathing here between the air quality and new allergens. Could have also been anxiety, because I have regressed quite a bit being able to have my distance and having very minimal social contact outside the house, and the more crowded in people get in places, the more anxiety I'm having. That one isn't covid related though. It doesn't help, but even before covid there are times when I'm weaving and dancing through people in a store just to get what I need and get out. And because there are way more people than what I'm used to, compared to Indiana, more crowded in, more packed, more dense, I've grown used to what did look more like Indiana for a while in the stores. And now there's people everywhere.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Then if "potential" isn't a fact, is there any evidence about the likelihood -- that is, of course, the odds of spreading?

And lo and behold, there is!

Now, what would you consider to be right number, if not 100%? Would anything under 80%, for example, be adequate to grant you exception? "Hey, I'm only going to infect somebody 4 out of 5 times, which means 1 out of 5 times I'm safe -- so don't bug me, man!"

What's your number?

Um. I read two things here. One, sarcasm. And two, assuming I said I was an exception.

Please ask before you draw conclusions on what you think I implied.
 

Dave Watchman

Active Member
Your phone is able to be tracked if the battery is in it and has a charge.
Simple as that.

It does not even have to be turned on.

And ANYTHING you do online can be used to track you.
Every post on this or any other website can be used to track you.
Every device that connects to the internet: phone, computer, tablet, laptop, router, tv, game console, refrigerator, microwave, coffee maker, vehicle...
EVERYTHING that connects to the internet has a MAC address.
Without a MAC address, it can not connect to the internet.

Both MAC Address and IP Address are used to uniquely identify a machine on the internet. MAC address is provided by the chip maker while IP Address is provided by the Internet Service Provider.
Difference between MAC Address and IP Address

I know.

They can track me by my credit cards.

They can see all the junk I buy on amazon.

The local Cops and Interpol can use this to apprehend me.

I'm a cowboy, on a steel horse I ride.

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But this is a different subject.

I still can not participate with the Vaccine Passport People's Plan, because my Fischer Price phone can not download their App.

My Fisher Price phone can not take a picture of, and therefore scan the QR code.

My Fischer Price phone is neither Apple or Android.

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Old school.

I'm with Public Mobile.

Pay as you go.

Different number every month.

Did you watch this video?


Just play the audio while you're reading this forum.

It's less distracting.

I find it interesting that the far left is all in with the Vaccine Passport Plan, while the far Right is resisting.

It can be known therefore and understood that this is a global initiative.

If you buy a ticket on a plane, train or cruise ship in the U.S., Moscow, or Heathrow airport, you would be scanning the same QR code linked to the same data base system.

And they that dwell on the earth shall wonder after the beast.

Peaceful Sabbath.
 

Dave Watchman

Active Member
Tucker Carlson asked one question about vaccine passports that stunned Fox News

On Fox & Friends, Carlson applauded DeSantis for opposing this scheme, but Carlson wondered why the elected Republicans in Congress sat silent.

“Why is it left to the Governor of Florida to say that?” Carlson stated. “Aren’t there 50 Republicans in the Senate? Why aren’t they standing in a line with Mitch McConnell in the center saying ‘No, we’re not doing this, I’m sorry, you’re not allowed.’”

Carlson noted medical privacy laws exist that prevent parents from finding out if their kids want a sex change, but now Joe Biden wants all Americans private medical information in one giant vaccine database.


“You are not allowed to know if your kid has a sex change, and now your private information – whether you are vaccinated or not – that information in the hands of the tech companies and that will determine whether you can participate in American life?” Carlson asked.

Carlson explained that this vaccine passport scheme would only add to the vaccine hesitancy among the 25 to 30 percent of the population that so far refuses to take the vaccine.


“If you’re trying to calm people down about the idea of vaccines, and make them less vaccine-hesitant, and convince them it is not a conspiracy run by Bill Gates, then you won’t consider doing something like this,” Carlson added.

The vaccine passport scheme is a fundamental attack on Americans’ right to privacy.


It will only feed conspiracy theories as it will look like the Biden administration is exploiting COVID to impose a massive power grab.
Tucker Carlson asked one question about vaccine passports that stunned Fox News | Renewed Right

I wonder what you lefties say to this?

It's illegal to know if my kid had a sex change operation, but all nations around the world can have free access to my personal vaccination history.

And therefore enable, or disable, my ability to buy and sell.

Peaceful Sabbath.
 
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Dave Watchman

Active Member
Revelation 17

Keep an eye out for this one:

"And the ten horns which you saw are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

"These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.​

The ten horns are ten kings without a kingdom but they have the power of kings.

But they will recieve power AS a king would have power.

And they are of the SAME mind.

And then they GIVE that power back to the composite beast, which I would read as church and state.

And in corporate rule.

Marjorie Taylor Greene says that a vaccine passport is "Biden's Mark of the Beast"


What is with all these women?

Peaceful Sabbath.
 
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PureX

Veteran Member
I think the problem is that we have no means of securing the distribution of such a "passport". Making it mostly meaningless. And by the time such a mechanism were set up and implemented, the need will have passed.
 

Dave Watchman

Active Member
the need will have passed

The need will have passed?

Do you mean Covid will be over with?

The place right now with the lowest Covid, also has the lowest vaccination rate.

They overcame their outbreak with a hard Draconian lock down.

04/03/2021 pandemic

Alberto Fernández tested positive for coronavirus
The President announced his contagion through his personal Twitter account.

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The President tested positive for coronavirus.

President Alberto Fernández announced today that he tested positive for coronavirus in an antigen test and that he is isolated as indicated by his doctor.

In a thread posted on his Twitter account, the president said that he is "physically fine" and that he underwent the test after presenting a record of 37.3 degrees of fever and a headache.

The head of state had received on January 21 the first dose of the Sputnik V vaccine.

An official source recalled today that the efficacy of the vaccines proved to be high, to the point that it prevents coronavirus infection in percentages that range between 70 and 90%, depending on the origin of the vaccine.

But the greatest protection that vaccines provide, and the main goal of the immunization campaign against Covid-19, is to avoid serious complications, hospitalization and mortality, the source added.

Faced with contagion, he added, vaccines allow a mild to moderate transit through the disease.

Alberto Fernández dio positivo de coronavirus

The vaccine is not a cure.

Sars-cov-2 still gets in your system.

Think about this example, or anyone like this.

Will they still be required to get the Vaccine Passport?

If the answer is yes, then it was never about Covid.

And it was never about the Vaccine.

It's the Vaccine Passport.

That is what they WANTed all along.

Why didn't they just come out and say it?

Because they needed a catalyst to get it done.

Now they got it.

Peaceful Sabbath.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
By the time I got my test results (negative) I had the sinus congestion and drainage to indicate a sinus infection. Doesn't normally come with chest symptoms, but I've also had some issues with asthma and difficulty breathing here between the air quality and new allergens. Could have also been anxiety, because I have regressed quite a bit being able to have my distance and having very minimal social contact outside the house, and the more crowded in people get in places, the more anxiety I'm having. That one isn't covid related though. It doesn't help, but even before covid there are times when I'm weaving and dancing through people in a store just to get what I need and get out. And because there are way more people than what I'm used to, compared to Indiana, more crowded in, more packed, more dense, I've grown used to what did look more like Indiana for a while in the stores. And now there's people everywhere.

Wow. Sinus infection sounds better than COVID. I can see why you'd have a good level of precaution around others-even just in general. I would be too if I had to travel further than five minutes to the store. No one knows the situation or circumstances other people are in; so, it is very difficult to generalize based on our own situation alone. If it were based on my situation, masks really aren't needed too much and vaccines are probably just personal preference. It highly depends on where people shop... before the lock down, people are generally at work. Now they are working from home. I only get antsy or anxiety when I'm or my family member are in immediate danger, bomb threats, and gas population, things that are a definite not a level of risk related emergency.

I know my mother has some anxiety and fear in addition to not going to the doctors office to check if she has anything serious going on with her. A little denial but many hospitals aren't even letting family members come in with patients. In DC, to even go some of the school campuses, they not only give you a mask and gloves, but a gown too.

So, it's best to keep things in perspective, take care of your own health and loved ones, and just be precautious. Raising blood pressure (or anyone reading) because of other people's opinions is quite different than that raised on actual behaviors. Opinions are just that. It's just not worth the heart attack.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
The need will have passed?

Do you mean Covid will be over with?

The place right now with the lowest Covid, also has the lowest vaccination rate.

They overcame their outbreak with a hard Draconian lock down.

04/03/2021 pandemic

Alberto Fernández tested positive for coronavirus
The President announced his contagion through his personal Twitter account.

606205c93086e_1004x565.jpg

The President tested positive for coronavirus.

President Alberto Fernández announced today that he tested positive for coronavirus in an antigen test and that he is isolated as indicated by his doctor.

In a thread posted on his Twitter account, the president said that he is "physically fine" and that he underwent the test after presenting a record of 37.3 degrees of fever and a headache.

The head of state had received on January 21 the first dose of the Sputnik V vaccine.

An official source recalled today that the efficacy of the vaccines proved to be high, to the point that it prevents coronavirus infection in percentages that range between 70 and 90%, depending on the origin of the vaccine.

But the greatest protection that vaccines provide, and the main goal of the immunization campaign against Covid-19, is to avoid serious complications, hospitalization and mortality, the source added.

Faced with contagion, he added, vaccines allow a mild to moderate transit through the disease.

Alberto Fernández dio positivo de coronavirus

The vaccine is not a cure.

Sars-cov-2 still gets in your system.

Think about this example, or anyone like this.

Will they still be required to get the Vaccine Passport?

If the answer is yes, then it was never about Covid.

And it was never about the Vaccine.

It's the Vaccine Passport.

That is what they WANTed all along.

Why didn't they just come out and say it?

Because they needed a catalyst to get it done.

Now they got it.

Peaceful Sabbath.
Holy B-rate Hollywood plot, Batman!
No one who matters and who's opinion on the subject that matters has said the vaccine is a cure. You even get a paper explaining this to you when you get it. With such a gross misunderstanding that is nowhere even in the right ballpark how can we trust you say anything else worth consideration, especially also considering you erroneously claimed Venezuela has the lowest covid rate.
 

Dave Watchman

Active Member
Holy B-rate Hollywood plot, Batman!
No one who matters and who's opinion on the subject that matters has said the vaccine is a cure. You even get a paper explaining this to you when you get it. With such a gross misunderstanding that is nowhere even in the right ballpark how can we trust you say anything else worth consideration, especially also considering you erroneously claimed Venezuela has the lowest covid rate.

Are you worried about it?

So if the vaccine is not a cure, and I still need a mask, and can still get Sars-cov-2 into my system, why is the world rolling out this Vaccine Passport business at warp speed?

It looks like the Vaccine Passport is more important to them than the vaccine itself.


The place right now with the lowest Covid, also has the lowest vaccination rate.

They overcame their outbreak with a hard Draconian lock down.

This is the place I'm talking about.

This comes today from the Romanian on another forum:

What did happen, and I do not know if this a coincidence, or not, is for me to live in the county that most likely had the HARDEST LOCK-DOWN on the PLANET.

When the virus hit my city and my county, it hit really hard. Virtually 1/3rd of the cases and deaths in Romania were in my county.

The government got really scared, especially after the entire mass media in the country painted a much worse picture of what was really going on.

Short story long, the government decided to quarantine the entire county, and within the county, a harder quarantine for county capital and metro area.

To understand what a REAL quarantine is, for 6 straight weeks, starting in mid-March 2020, my county was completely cut-off from the world.

The airport was closed off. All rail stations were cut-off. Every single business was closed. The ONLY things that were open, and that only during the day, were pharmacies, gas stations and food stores, with limited working hours.

The public institutions were working with a skeleton crew, and only for a few hours in the morning.

Schools, colleges, university, all closed.

ALL TRAVEL between towns within the county was fully banned. ALL TRAVEL between the capital city and metro area was fully banned. ALL TRAVEL between Ukraine and my county (which borders it) was closed, long before Romania closed the rest of the borders.

The capital city quarantine was even harsher. The local transport was suspended entirely. Same with taxis. People could go to buy their food and medicine only during the day, usually between 8 am and 6 pm. There was no way to "chill" outside with a bag in your hand, under the guise of "I am going to buy groceries, and I stopped for a smoke".

There was police and military patrolling every area. They would quickly make everyone NOT WALKING, to start walking, and either go home, or go to a food shop or pharmacy.

Traveling by car was not banned per se, but you had to had a declaration, with your route and traveling times.

Outside emergencies (like going to a hospital because you're almost dead), travel between 10 pm and 6 am was absolutely banned.

The media painted my county as a place where covid was rampart, and you could get it even if you make one step across county borders, and my county was AVOIDED for months after the quarantine was lifted.

The main idea is that what happened in my county was pretty much spot on on what it was supposed to happen EVERYWHERE, if the goal was to stop the pandemic.

Clearly the goal was NOT to stop the pandemic, but that is another story.

One year have passed since.

My county, NOW, after a year have passed, not only have the LOWEST infection rate in Romania, but FOUR TIMES lower then the entire country.

To understand why the example of my county is relevant, and not just a local, weird accident, some things have to be mentioned.

My city is by far the best developed commercial city in Romania (not by volume, that is Bucharest, ofc), with a density of commercial spaces per capita TWICE as bigger then any other city in Romania, including Bucharest.

Over 300,000 people (twice the size of my city) used my city, every day, for shopping, traveling, transit, etc. All of them from outside the city, many from Ukraine and Moldavia.

It's not like it was an isolated city, and the quarantine didn't matter that much.

Nope, it was a heavily used city, for commercial reasons mainly, with an influx of people, every day, twice the size of the city.

When the pandemic hit us, the ENTIRE media in Romania was here, reporting the situation...because it FITTED THE SCARE NARRATIVE.

Now, after a year, when my city is BOOMING economically (as much as it can boom, considering the economy), have the lowest infection rate, 4 times lower then the country, the media is COMPLETELY ABSENT.

Not even a PEEP of what is happening in the city and the county that one year ago was the Lombardia of Romania.

And the reason for this media absence is NOT only that the quarantine worked, and proved that IF taken early, and implemented PROPERLY, and LASTS as long as a QUARANTINE (quaranta = 40) should last...it is MOST LIKELY because my county also have, BY FAR, the LOWEST vaccination rate in Romania.

So, for 6 weeks, my county was in a PROPER quarantine, and one year later we have the lowest infection rate AND the lowest vaccination rate...and there is NO PEEP in mass-media about this.

Makes you wonder, isn't it?

This pandemic was planned, the vaccination was planned, the destruction of the economy was planned, the loss of liberty...and the next step in the plan is war with Russia.

But that is for tomorrow's update.

(If you like numbers, the infection rate in my county is 0.98 per 1,000 people for 14 days, and the vaccination rate is 0.69%.)​

Covid supplied the SCARE NARRATIVE.

Covid supplied the catalyst for the Vaccine Passport.

Peaceful Sabbath.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
So if the vaccine is not a cure, and I still need a mask, and can still get Sars-cov-2 into my system, why is the world rolling out this Vaccine Passport business at warp speed?
Because apparently you have missed the fact it's a virus that is more deadly than any drug you can name, more than all of them combined if we exclude tobacco.
It looks like the Vaccine Passport is more important to them than the vaccine itself.
Tucker Carlson is nothing more than a fearmonger who is constantly spinning the truth, weaving a web of deception, and constantly stupid looking faces (I unfortunately get stuck in front of TVs with and Rachel Madow when I do my evening run at the gym, and the two are hardly any different, especially with the stuck on dumb facial expressions).
This pandemic was planned, the vaccination was planned, the destruction of the economy was planned, the loss of liberty...and the next step in the plan is war with Russia.
Yeah, there is no basis for that in reality. It comes off like you've been watching too many movies.
 

Dave Watchman

Active Member
Because apparently you have missed the fact it's a virus that is more deadly than any drug you can name, more than all of them combined if we exclude tobacco.

Link?

Tucker Carlson is nothing more than a fearmonger who is constantly spinning the truth, weaving a web of deception, and constantly stupid looking faces (I unfortunately get stuck in front of TVs with and Rachel Madow when I do my evening run at the gym, and the two are hardly any different, especially with the stuck on dumb facial expressions).

I know.

And I guess he's on the right wing.

Yeah, there is no basis for that in reality. It comes off like you've been watching too many movies.

Cut the TV/Cable in 2006.

Never go to movies.

No Netflix.

Peaceful Sabbath.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Your phone is able to be tracked if the battery is in it and has a charge.
Simple as that.

It does not even have to be turned on.

And ANYTHING you do online can be used to track you.
Every post on this or any other website can be used to track you.
Every device that connects to the internet: phone, computer, tablet, laptop, router, tv, game console, refrigerator, microwave, coffee maker, vehicle...
EVERYTHING that connects to the internet has a MAC address.
Without a MAC address, it can not connect to the internet.

Both MAC Address and IP Address are used to uniquely identify a machine on the internet. MAC address is provided by the chip maker while IP Address is provided by the Internet Service Provider.
Difference between MAC Address and IP Address
There are ways and methods, but it requires far more than simply turning off the phone's GPS.
 

Dave Watchman

Active Member
There are ways and methods, but it requires far more than simply turning off the phone's GPS.

I keep telling the guy this is not the tracking I'm talking about.

You can put your phone in a Faraday cage.

The sell Faraday phone pouches on Amazon.

Amazon.ca : Faraday Bag

But, with the Vaccine Passport, you would still need to take the phone out to scan the QR code to get on a bus, plane, restaurant, movie theater, concert, sporting event, and whatever else they decide to add to the list.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I keep telling the guy this is not the tracking I'm talking about.

You can put your phone in a Faraday cage.

The sell Faraday phone pouches on Amazon.

Amazon.ca : Faraday Bag

But, with the Vaccine Passport, you would still need to take the phone out to scan the QR code to get on a bus, plane, restaurant, movie theater, concert, sporting event, and whatever else they decide to add to the list.
Those can still be tracked, particularly when it's out of the pouch.
If you're going to do it right, and be truly unfindable, you have to have root access to your phone to scramble that. Then you can do anything and everything you, and all the trackers are going to think you never left Central Park, Red Square, in the middle of a field, or wherever you set your phone to tell things where it's at. You can even set it to go on a stroll down the road while you never leave your house.
And for the "vaccine passport." Boohoo to those trying to do it all digitally. They give you a card when you get the vaccine, and if you lose it (I already did) they'll give you another. No phone needed, just a small piece of paper that looks like it could fit in a wallet.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
I feel the ethical question is forcing people to take the vaccine in order to use business services. It's not like masks and social distancing where they don't impose on the health of a person. The only time I can see myself being forced to take any treatment is in a life and death situation. Even then, we don't just sign the papers. Enforcing it, though, would be hard. I honestly believe it will backfire. I'd stay home cause its dangerous not because of the virus.
Nobody is being forced.
Don't want the vaccine, don't get one, but you don't get to shop in a store that requires them. You'll have to go to another store that doesn't require them.
Nobody has a right to shop at any particular store in any way they see fit. Try getting into a store with no shoes or shirt on.
 
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