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Panera Employee Allegedly Fired for Pagan Beliefs

Watchmen

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Except in this one it is something that Christians have a very nasty habit of doing. People want nothing to do with the church because of stuff like that. People are gaining a more negative image of Christians because of stuff like that. People don't even want to try church because of stuff like that. People leave the entire thing behind and never return because of stuff like that.
Now, truly I think it's awesome, especially when Christians get all defensive and deny everything and lay on those behaviors they are being charged thick and heavy as if they want to prove to the world they are very correct for seeing Christians as someone who lacks integrity. They just keep digging their own grave, completely and entirely making the job of an anti-Christ entirely unnecessary. That's how much damage Christians do to their own religion, because they act like the bunghole managers in the OP.
I’m not Christian and I think you’re missing the point. Just because someone says something in a a lawsuit doesn’t make it true. But many people believe it anyway. You seem to be one such person.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I’m not Christian and I think you’re missing the point. Just because someone says something in a a lawsuit doesn’t make it true. But many people believe it anyway. You seem to be one such person.
True or not, there are a great many Christians who are guilty of it.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It's clearly not because they were sued, it's because they were sued for being bigots.
Without a judgment, the discrimination is just an accusation, ie,
hypothetical. Everyone in business to any extent gets sued.
I've endured bogus suits from people who smell money &
opportunity. And discrimination claims are popular tactics
because they're hard to disprove, but emotionally charged.
So the Panera suit cannot be treated with certainty.
 

Orbit

I'm a planet
Fair enough, but how do you know whether the one side of the story you’re getting is the truth?

Experience and a large sample size. When there's a pattern to what people tell you, there's usually something to it. There's no reason for people to lie to me; it doesn't benefit them. People are usually very candid in interviews. Note that in the exploratory survey only 14 out of 250 people said they experienced job loss. That sounds plausible, but even one is too many.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
They don't have much ground or a right to proclaim moral superiority and we have to believe in their god to be moral. The world and history is filled with Christians being sine if the worst out their. And do they learn? Doesn't look like it. The Hobby Lobby guy wants to end "Bible poverty" and bring the Bible to everyone in their native tongue. Ya know, because some of those who still don't have a Bible have a history of being violently opposed to outside visitors, amd Christians have always been so great to the locals when converting them and nothing bad ever comes of it.
Really, the OP just seems quintessential Christian and why people are leaving it behind. So many of them are exactly as described, taking it upon themselves to judge the world.
 

Watchmen

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
They don't have much ground or a right to proclaim moral superiority and we have to believe in their god to be moral. The world and history is filled with Christians being sine if the worst out their. And do they learn? Doesn't look like it. The Hobby Lobby guy wants to end "Bible poverty" and bring the Bible to everyone in their native tongue. Ya know, because some of those who still don't have a Bible have a history of being violently opposed to outside visitors, amd Christians have always been so great to the locals when converting them and nothing bad ever comes of it.
Really, the OP just seems quintessential Christian and why people are leaving it behind. So many of them are exactly as described, taking it upon themselves to judge the world.
How do you get all this from a mere lawsuit? You’re just taking the allegations at face value when they might be total lies. I could sue you today for sexual harassment. Does that simple act mean it’s true and really happened? Of course not. But you seem to believe the complaint merely because of your biased and stereotypical beliefs about Christians.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
How do you get all this from a mere lawsuit? You’re just taking the allegations at face value when they might be total lies. I could sue you today for sexual harassment. Does that simple act mean it’s true and really happened? Of course not. But you seem to believe the complaint merely because of your biased and stereotypical beliefs about Christians.
I cited sources with plenty of examples where such behavior isn't unusual for a Christian. It gets so bad I've known some call themselves "Followers of Christ" to distance themselves from Christians and the hypocrisy they are very well known for. And some of those sources are from Christians themselves who are making a call to action for Christians to change because it's shameful they've acquired such a reputation. And it's Christians who get defensive when someone points out the Church is basically a den of hypocrites, liars, and thieves. And that was before mainline Protestants and Conservative Catholics began supporting Trump. So you can imagine their image has been further tarnished in the eyes of non-Christians.
And no, I didn't just get this all from the lawsuit in the OP. A part of comes from the Christians who voiced concerns to then-governor Mike Pence that they shouldn't even have to work with people who offend their "sincerely held religious beliefs," and thus Pence's RFRA was born.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
They don't have much ground or a right to proclaim moral superiority and we have to believe in their god to be moral. The world and history is filled with Christians being sine if the worst out their. And do they learn? Doesn't look like it. The Hobby Lobby guy wants to end "Bible poverty" and bring the Bible to everyone in their native tongue. Ya know, because some of those who still don't have a Bible have a history of being violently opposed to outside visitors, amd Christians have always been so great to the locals when converting them and nothing bad ever comes of it.
Really, the OP just seems quintessential Christian and why people are leaving it behind. So many of them are exactly as described, taking it upon themselves to judge the world.
OK.
 

Secret Chief

nirvana is samsara
In my Pagan days, I only had issue once.

I worked in a group home, and one day one of the other staff asked me about Paganism and what it is. A nurse that had never cared for me overheard and interrupted, stating "It means she sacrifices chickens on her altar." Very calmly, I told him he was being ridiculous. He had been working with me enough years to know I was vegetarian, and should by now realize I sacrifice veggie burgers on my altar.

He didn't see it coming, and laughed and laughed, and contemplated what a vegetarian sacrifice would look like...

We got along fine from that point on.
I hope you stunned the burger first.
 
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