Does salvation in Christ scare the Atheist believers?

nPeace · Apr 1, 2021

9-10ths_Penguin said:
This is a very strange way to try to deny that you were making generalizations.

You realize that everyone can go back a few posts and see for themselves what you wrote, right?

if everyone else is like you, I would be concerned, but I know that only you and your "people" will see what you want, and it does not faze me.

TagliatelliMonster · Apr 1, 2021

nPeace said:
I think Atheist for the most part have made the choice to "be their own God". Simply put, join the ultimate rebel against God, because of wanting "their own freedom", to do whatever they want.

I think when some do realize how pointless that life is, they seek God, but because of the fact that religion has failed society, some of those individuals resign themselves to Atheism or Agnosticism.

However, some find a religion they feel they can bond with.
When that fails them, they just decide to be non-religious, but "spiritual".

I think though, you are referring to die hard Atheist. These as I said earlier, for the most part hate God, and his authority. They want their own rules.
Salvation of Christ don't appeal to them because it does not come with freedom from authority... at least individual authority.

This is as stupid as saying that people stop believing in santa clause so that they don't have to worry about being good all year to get presents and instead can then just "do whatever they want" and not worry about ending up on the "naughty" list by pretending that there is no such list.

TagliatelliMonster · Apr 1, 2021

nPeace said:
Are you speaking for all Atheists?

Yes, as in fact all he did was give a basic definition of what "atheism" is.

Samael_Khan · Apr 1, 2021

firedragon said:
What about the roman soldiers who were religious or were identified as religious but purely because of their affinity to the Roman Empire? No theism. buddhism or any philosophy involved!

Are you referring to the Imperial Cult which also included emperor worship? Because there the founding of Rome was tightly linked to past ancestors such as Romulus and Remus and therefore Rome was divine to them in a sense. There was formal and informal beliefs, worship, rituals and idols in the form of statues involved.

The Worship of the Roman Emperors on JSTOR

TagliatelliMonster · Apr 1, 2021

nPeace said:
So no person became an Atheist through rebellion, in you view. If an Atheist told you differently, what would you call him?

A liar or a theist.

Because either he is lying about the rebellion part....
Or he is, as a "rebel", lying about not believing a god to exist.

If it's "rebellion to do what you want", then one really does believe in god but one simply pretends not to.

nPeace · Apr 1, 2021

Orbit said:
"The obvious" is just your unsupported opinion. You can't imagine why anyone would be an atheist, and rebellion's the only explanation that makes sense to you. There are plenty of atheists on RF. Why not test your theory by starting a thread asking them why they are atheist. I bet you money no one is going to say "I'm rebelling against God." But try it and see what answers you get.

Now you are telling me about me.
I think one can convince themselve of something, and deny something, they don't want to accept.
So whatever test you want to run here, cannot be scientifically proven. So please don't try to make science what it's not... as most Atheist try to do on these forums.

TagliatelliMonster · Apr 1, 2021

nPeace said:
Why do you choose to be 'Atheists for the most part', so that you can speak for 'Atheist, for the most part', and yet don't want to consider yourself 'Atheists for the most part'?

I suggest you stop with the peeing contest and instead just provide evidential support for your claim that any number of atheists are only atheists out of "rebellion" so that they can "do whatever they want" while deep down actually not being an atheist at all.

Samael_Khan · Apr 1, 2021

nPeace said:
I think Atheist for the most part have made the choice to "be their own God". Simply put, join the ultimate rebel against God, because of wanting "their own freedom", to do whatever they want.

To phrase it differently, rather follow your own convictions rather than the convictions of people who claim to speak on behalf of God.

nPeace said:
I think when some do realize how pointless that life is, they seek God, but because of the fact that religion has failed society, some of those individuals resign themselves to Atheism or Agnosticism.

Rather live in reality and what they are convinced of. It is more pointless to follow a belief system that isn't real rather than to live by what you know. If you serve a lie, that lie gives you purpose, but that purpose is fiction.

Orbit · Apr 1, 2021

nPeace said:
Now you are telling me about me.
I think one can convince themselve of something, and deny something, they don't want to accept.
So whatever test you want to run here, cannot be scientifically proven. So please don't try to make science what it's not... as most Atheist try to do on these forums.

Actually it can be proven, by surveying atheists. That's basic empiricism, the basis of science.

nPeace · Apr 1, 2021

Orbit said:
Actually it can be proven, by surveying atheists. That's basic empiricism, the basis of science.

No it can't. Scientists can't read hearts. The lie detector test fails often too, and when one lies to themselves enough, it becomes the truth... to them.

Orbit · Apr 1, 2021

nPeace said:
No it can't. Scientists can't read hearts. The lie detector test fails often too, and when one lies to themselves enough, it becomes the truth... to them.

So now you're saying atheists lie about why they are atheist? This sounds a lot like the No True Scotsman Fallacy.

nPeace · Apr 1, 2021

Orbit said:
So now you're saying atheists lie about why they are atheist? This sounds a lot like the No True Scotsman Fallacy.

Are you reading what I wrote, or making up stuff. Or... you simply have a difficult time understanding. Or maybe you are trying too hard to convince yourself you are right.
Whatever the case, you are not stating facts here.
So those are not my words. Maybe yours?

Orbit · Apr 1, 2021

nPeace said:
Are you reading what I wrote, or making up stuff. Or... you simply have a difficult time understanding. Or maybe you are trying too hard to convince yourself you are right.
Whatever the case, you are not stating facts here.
So those are not my words. Maybe yours?

Go back and read what you wrote.

nPeace · Apr 1, 2021

Orbit said:
Go back and read what you wrote.

Why don't you do that. ...and instead of taking two sentences, out of a post, take them collectively ... and try to understand.

lewisnotmiller · Apr 1, 2021

Twilight Hue said:
No. Atheism as a definition cannot precede Christianity since the term is a response to the claim of a God.

However no one believed in any God at the start.

The concept of theism clearly came afterwards. It dosent even work or make a lick of sense the other way around. To think that such concepts like Jesus or salvation or anything of the sort is somehow frightening for an atheist is rather laughable.

Atheism doesn't have to be a response to Christianity though.
The original accusation of atheism was quite possibly directed AT Christians for not recognising pagan Gods.

Times and definitions have changed, obviously.

darkskies · Apr 1, 2021

nPeace said:
No it can't. Scientists can't read hearts. The lie detector test fails often too, and when one lies to themselves enough, it becomes the truth... to them.

You are what you say you are, unless you do or say contradictory things. There is no other way to know the contents of another person's mind.

nPeace said:
when one lies to themselves enough, it becomes the truth... to them.

How can I know you're not doing the same?

Subduction Zone · Apr 1, 2021

TagliatelliMonster said:
This is as stupid as saying that people stop believing in santa clause so that they don't have to worry about being good all year to get presents and instead can then just "do whatever they want" and not worry about ending up on the "naughty" list by pretending that there is no such list.

I am not so sure of that. Last Christmas I did not believe in Santa Claus, and guess what? No presents from Santa!!

Checkmate atheists!

nPeace · Apr 1, 2021

aketo said:
You are what you say you are, unless you do or say contradictory things. There is no other way to know the contents of another person's mind.

That's not what's being discussed.

aketo said:
How can I know you're not doing the same?

You can't.

darkskies · Apr 1, 2021

nPeace said:
That's not what's being discussed.

I'm trying to tell you why surveys do prove things.

nPeace · Apr 1, 2021

aketo said:
I'm trying to tell you why surveys do prove things.

They don't. Men agree on opinions, and go with the accepted. They haven't proved anything.

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